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Linchy0055
September 20, 2010, 11:49am Report to Moderator
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Hi there, first post here I'd though I'd sign up as I've found a rather interesting method...

The 'follow the leader' system is where you always bet on the last colour that came up. This system takes advantage of the fact that in completely random sequences there will be segments that appear non-random, i.e. a winning streak of reds or blacks.

Generally this system only succeeds when used in conjuction with progressive betting, but this is also it's demise as of course progressive bets eventually fail once you've taken enough losses to hit the table max bet limit...

Quick example of play:

Follow the Leader

1) A red was the last to come in so you bet 1 unit on red.
2) A red comes in so you win. Now bet 1 unit on red once again.
3) A black comes in so you lose. Now you double your bet and place it on black, therefore 2 units on black.
4) A black comes in so you win the 1 unit you lost previously plus 1 unit. Now you restart and so bet 1 on black, and so it goes on. If a green comes in, you place your units on the opposite colour to the one you were currently betting on (if red, bet black, and vice versa).

The main problem with this method is when the colours switch every round, so you get sequences like RBRBRBRBRB; these sequences will bring you close to the table bet limits, and eventually over :\

The first time I played this method I won £600, my biggest win to date I only stopped because I got tired! At the time I thought this system was unbeatable, only to find out the next day that I had had a lucky spree as I lost it all..

And so began my journey to fix this method to work for the long-term as best I could! And I think I may have found a fix, here it is:

Follow the Leader Variation

1) Firstly, when the opposite colour to the one your betting on comes in, you don't switch over immediately. instead you +1 to your losing streak, and then double your bet. If you were betting 1 on red, you now bet 2 on red.
2) If a red now comes in then you can reset your losing streak back to zero, and also your bet. So your back to 1 unit on red now as you won.
3) If though you did not win (black came in again), you +1 to your losing streak again. Once your losing streak reaches +3 then you switch over. You also reset your bet back to 1. So now you'll be betting 1 unit on black. This means you'll have to win a few rounds to recover your previous loss of 6 units (much less stressful than a 100 units)

Now some data. I wrote a computer program to calculate the profits after each round from the spin data recorded at http://www.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/DE/621/Permanenzen2.php. I then put the numbers into a graph using openOffice. Here they are:

Table 8


Table 9


Table 10


I would have done the other tables but they had no data up for download for them. The bet progression used was £5, £10, £20 (then reset back to £5 of course).

Whats interesting is that all 3 tables stay in profit longer than they don't, they also reach the £200 mark and above seemingly regularly. That is the 2 main reasons why I think this method may be a winner  
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Proofreaders2000
September 20, 2010, 12:39pm Report to Moderator

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Interesting...here's an idea for you instead of betting every spin, try every third or fourth spin same premise.
Also maybe a "softer progression" i.e. two losses, up one chip, win, down 1 chip.

btw welcome to the forum Linchy0055
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2marshall8
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Quoted from Linchy0055
Hi there, first post here I'd though I'd sign up as I've found a rather interesting method...

The 'follow the leader' system is where you always bet on the last colour that came up. This system takes advantage of the fact that in completely random sequences there will be segments that appear non-random, i.e. a winning streak of reds or blacks.

Generally this system only succeeds when used in conjuction with progressive betting, but this is also it's demise as of course progressive bets eventually fail once you've taken enough losses to hit the table max bet limit...

Quick example of play:

Follow the Leader

1) A red was the last to come in so you bet 1 unit on red.
2) A red comes in so you win. Now bet 1 unit on red once again.
3) A black comes in so you lose. Now you double your bet and place it on black, therefore 2 units on black.
4) A black comes in so you win the 1 unit you lost previously plus 1 unit. Now you restart and so bet 1 on black, and so it goes on. If a green comes in, you place your units on the opposite colour to the one you were currently betting on (if red, bet black, and vice versa).

The main problem with this method is when the colours switch every round, so you get sequences like RBRBRBRBRB; these sequences will bring you close to the table bet limits, and eventually over :\

The first time I played this method I won £600, my biggest win to date I only stopped because I got tired! At the time I thought this system was unbeatable, only to find out the next day that I had had a lucky spree as I lost it all..

And so began my journey to fix this method to work for the long-term as best I could! And I think I may have found a fix, here it is:

Follow the Leader Variation

1) Firstly, when the opposite colour to the one your betting on comes in, you don't switch over immediately. instead you +1 to your losing streak, and then double your bet. If you were betting 1 on red, you now bet 2 on red.
2) If a red now comes in then you can reset your losing streak back to zero, and also your bet. So your back to 1 unit on red now as you won.
3) If though you did not win (black came in again), you +1 to your losing streak again. Once your losing streak reaches +3 then you switch over. You also reset your bet back to 1. So now you'll be betting 1 unit on black. This means you'll have to win a few rounds to recover your previous loss of 6 units (much less stressful than a 100 units)

Now some data. I wrote a computer program to calculate the profits after each round from the spin data recorded at http://www.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/DE/621/Permanenzen2.php. I then put the numbers into a graph using openOffice. Here they are:

Table 8


Table 9


Table 10


I would have done the other tables but they had no data up for download for them. The bet progression used was £5, £10, £20 (then reset back to £5 of course).

Whats interesting is that all 3 tables stay in profit longer than they don't, they also reach the £200 mark and above seemingly regularly. That is the 2 main reasons why I think this method may be a winner  



I actually do like this one. it doesn't use progression which is what will kill you as we all know in the end. This also gives more of an up and down feel to things. I just tested on rushmore and went from 989 to 103 then down to 980 then up to 987. facintating

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Linchy0055
September 20, 2010, 1:36pm Report to Moderator
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Thank you proofreader for the welcome and your suggestion, but I think your variation may have some holes in it: betting every 3rd or 4th spin will skip the losing streak part of my method (which I guess is what you were trying to do) which is good, but it will also skip the winning streaks too (the biggest i've ever seen I think is 10 in a row). Also your progression may be slightly too flat to ever get anywhere. If my progression is too much then you could do a £1, £2, £4 progression but of course it'll result in less money. When I have time tomorrow I will add your method to my program and post the resulting graph.

Marshall I don't quite understand your post, how is it you went from '103 then down to 980' ?? Also is it possible you could remove the quote of my post from yours as it hurts to scroll :L
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Steve
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Have you thought about looking at the high and low points, the distance between them, and their proportions? History does repeat.
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Linchy0055
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Hmm is that sarcasm, yes history may repeat but it's not like you can calculate where the next peak would be with random data?

I downloaded the 3million+ spins data uploaded here and ran it through my program; it took some time and I'm afraid I couldn't make a graph as it was too much data for openOffice. Basically the profits managed to hold positive for about 4000 spins before being swallowed whole at the end of the 3 million spins it was at about -768000!

All things considered though this isn't actually very bad at all: 5000 consecutive spins, at a spin a minute, is 7 full days of betting. No-one will be doing this so it somewhat makes the results redundant. Still, I took the first 5000 spins, and the second 5000 spins from the text file and made two graphs for them:

First 5000


Second 5000


So it seems if you set yourself a win and loss limit this could be one powerful system. Still I think more data may be needed, it kinda seems to be too good to be true at the moment?
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2marshall8
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I will be testing this one out at a real casino soon and will post my results. I like the idea as it doesn't use progression and realizes a loss and moves on to win on another day.

My plan is to start with $60 with $1 chips and a progression like 1,2,4 then move to the other color.
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Linchy0055
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Well good luck then. If I were you I'd set a loss limit of -£40, and a win limit of +£40 with a 1, 2, 4 progression, and to stop after 500 spins regardless (if you make it that long). Look forward to seeing your results.

I'm going to let my bot run through the night playing this method on dublinbet with the free money option, see what results I get.
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2marshall8
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yah, i'll try that and let you know. I will got in with $50. I'm the US by the way.
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Monty
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I saw  r b r b r b r 13 times once so unless I read wrong that would cause this system to fail
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2marshall8
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Quoted from Monty
I saw  r b r b r b r 13 times once so unless I read wrong that would cause this system to fail


If it went like this you would win every time. read the variation. If those colors came up in that order it woudl be awesome. You would loose on the second time but with as it turned back to red each time. this is how it would have to look to keep loosing.

This is assuming you are on Red to start and you move over after +3 count (which he showed above) which means you are loosing three times in a row and then moving to the other color.

bbbrrrbbbrrrbbbrrrbbbrrrbbb etc....
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Monty
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even so, I don't think a few hundred spins is anything to get to excited about
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2marshall8
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true. but what is with a game of chance, ya know? it's all just hope we are living on, just varying amounts and ideas.
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Steve
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No my comment was not sarcasm. See http://www.genuinewinner.com/waves.pdf to start. The stock market is a core example of biological patterns. Specifically the waves are due to decisions from investors that affect stock prices, and this in turn affects the reactions and behavior of other investors. With roulette there are similar patterns, but the variables are different. Essentially with roulette, one thing affects another constantly. When utilizing such methods for roulette prediction, you need to understand the variables and how they affect other variables and ultimately spin outcomes. This helps with roulette prediction, but by no means have I discovered everything and there is still work to be done. In this case, I'm only suggesting points to further research.
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rouletteguy
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I've done this before and it holds alright better than playing opposites anyway but it goes bust too.
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Twisteruk
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Quoted from 2marshall8
true. but what is with a game of chance, ya know? it's all just hope we are living on, just varying amounts and ideas.


Dont take any notice of him dude


Its your name he probally does not like  


Keep up the good work, ive enjoyed playing your System so thanks very much !
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liam62244
July 18, 2011, 4:15am Report to Moderator
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Hi there,

Im new to this forum.

I also have thought up this follow last colour system and searched google to see if anyone else had thought it up. So google brought me here.

Has anyone used this in a live casino yet? What were the results like?

I have a slight variation that I will try live tomorrow. Variation is simple just bet the same colour that comes in before. So if black comes in then bet on black. If Black comes in you win. Then carry on with black till it changes colour. When it changes to Red just bet on red untill it changes back to black.

Its very simple and no way of messing it up. No doubling up required, so no major losses. When it does go RBRBRBRB then the last wins will cover this rare chance of RBRBRBRB coming in.

How do you create those charts of millions of spins?

Thanks
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Linchy0055
July 19, 2011, 3:31am Report to Moderator
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To create those charts I programmed the system using C#, then made the program output results which I could copy into openOffice Calc (excel basically) and made the chart there. I used the spin data collected by Poit (stickied in this forum).

I do have a program I'm going to release on the Xbox Live Indie marketplace that makes it easy to make systems like this and test them, but Microsoft are taking their time with processing my tax form....
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txex
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Just so I'm clear the only time you would switch colors is when you lost 3 times. Is that correct?
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Linchy0055
July 19, 2011, 10:19am Report to Moderator
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Yeah 3 times in a row
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schoenpoetser
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All systems have the same predictable results on a long run test.The graphics show always a wave pattern.
A strategy  looks for the right moments to start and stop betting. The long run graphic can give you much information about the wave length and the amplitude. This theory is useble for allsystems.
A strategy can beat the roulette a system not.
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LOLzzz nice Martin Armstrong.  ; ) He has led a very interesting life indeed. At least he is out of prison now!

Quoted from Steve
No my comment was not sarcasm. See http://www.genuinewinner.com/waves.pdf to start. The stock market is a core example of biological patterns. Specifically the waves are due to decisions from investors that affect stock prices, and this in turn affects the reactions and behavior of other investors. With roulette there are similar patterns, but the variables are different. Essentially with roulette, one thing affects another constantly. When utilizing such methods for roulette prediction, you need to understand the variables and how they affect other variables and ultimately spin outcomes. This helps with roulette prediction, but by no means have I discovered everything and there is still work to be done. In this case, I'm only suggesting points to further research.


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Yes I like all comment !!

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Jtek
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How about doing an inverse d'lambert on this system, adding a chip every win and decreasing a chip when you lose. I do like the sounds of this System. Thanks

I was also thinking of a system which i came up with (Or maybe it is already active) Basically wait for two of the same colour and then start betting on that colour until it loses, sometimes you might ride a wave of Reds or Blacks. I have seen a few times where the sequence goes RRBBRRBB but hopefully the previous wins might account for a loss like this.

I haven't actually tried this, just observing a table and noticed alot of times when two colours came out you may get 3-6 of the same colour follow, Or Hopefully a nice tidy 10-12 of the same colour.
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