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see_jerek
September 30, 2008, 6:57am Report to Moderator
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I have contacted Lanky but he hasnt responded. If anyone knows him well enough, or if they know Kelly or someone else that is appropriate, please encourage them. I too would like this sorted out, but I dont have the time to go chasing it down every day. In particularly people like Kelly would only need to see some of my system material to know the system is legit, as Kelly is familiar with visual ballistics which are just a part of what I teach. I'd prefer Kelly to come as he is better known but Lanky would be welcome too. Anyone else here interested to visit me with airfares/accomodation paid? The demos will be recorded but your face of course wont be shown. I already have audio from many demos available, especially of the hybrid and each go for a few hours but before they are released I need to spend censoring the audio. With this proposed public challenge I want to make virtually all of it freely available.



Steve,on a personal note I think this is really good for yourself and your company.It will help a lot in creating a positive image and it will defintely shut out your competitors,flamers,liars whoever they are once and for all.You do have a reputation on the web positive ones and negative ones as well.Proving youreslf and methods is a one time off thingy and it can eliminate any negative impression others have about you.

I wish you success in organising this demo session
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Steve
October 13, 2008, 11:59am Report to Moderator

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If anyone knows Kelly, please alert him to this. I've contacted Lanky but received no response. Even Victor / VLS might be ideal. It's only a day here to see what you need, although you need to adjust to timezone. Consider it an all expenses paid holiday.
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lanky
October 14, 2008, 4:27pm Report to Moderator
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Hi Steve.

Sorry for the delay.

My Email Has Changed I will Pop in A Message to You.

Yes I am from Australia.

I am not in Melbourne (My IP Address is though)

I am from New South Wales ........About 70 Ks From Star City.

I Spoke to Victor about This a few weeks ago And I thought he had Contacted You.

OK I am Available to do as You have said........

I will report back to this Forum & VLs with the final results.

Lets Talk Steve & Get This Going.

Lanky.

PS...My Email is in Steve's Private Message Box Now.
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see_jerek
October 15, 2008, 2:27am Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Steve
If anyone knows Kelly, please alert him to this. I've contacted Lanky but received no response. Even Victor / VLS might be ideal. It's only a day here to see what you need, although you need to adjust to timezone. Consider it an all expenses paid holiday.



Hello Steve,

Great news Lanky has finally responded,its really a once in a lifetime opportunity to prove youreslf,do it good and all negative reviews about you will be cleared forever.
I wish you best of luck and success in this challenge.I have faith in you.Prove your worth.

Regards,
Jerek
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Ronjo
October 15, 2008, 3:04pm Report to Moderator
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I have contacted Lanky but he hasnt responded. If anyone knows him well enough, or if they know Kelly or someone else that is appropriate, please encourage them. I too would like this sorted out, but I dont have the time to go chasing it down every day. In particularly people like Kelly would only need to see some of my system material to know the system is legit, as Kelly is familiar with visual ballistics which are just a part of what I teach. I'd prefer Kelly to come as he is better known but Lanky would be welcome too. Anyone else here interested to visit me with airfares/accomodation paid? The demos will be recorded but your face of course wont be shown. I already have audio from many demos available, especially of the hybrid and each go for a few hours but before they are released I need to spend censoring the audio. With this proposed public challenge I want to make virtually all of it freely available.


Hi Steve,
I have been reading your posts with great interest and saw that Lanky had not responded so I contacted him and told him to do so,which he has now done,I would be very keen to participate if you are keen to have me,it would be great if Lanky and myself participated as we are very close friends,and I have been wanting to come to Aussie for sometime to visit Lanky and Nancy, now would be a great oportunity.I have sent my e-mail to your private box.

Regards,
Ronjo.

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lanky
October 15, 2008, 9:12pm Report to Moderator
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Hi Steve.

You are correct I don't want My private details to be put on any Forum.

And any nonsense about Me being you has just been blown away now that Ronjo has agreed to participate as well.

Plus I have had the pleasure of meeting three forum Members in the flesh Mate.

And all but one of the three are members here as well as on Victor's Forum.

OK Steve we will sort things out as we go along.

I don't mind waiting until Ronjo can be available Either........It will be good for us all to meet....Plus having another person from overseas would dispel any doubts about the tests being True & Honest.

Rest assured Steve that Ronjo & I will treat You Fairly and report back with the absolute Truth to Both Forums.

Yours Sincerely.

Lanky.






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Vetkop
October 15, 2008, 11:48pm Report to Moderator

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Defo good to get a Saffa to validate you Ausies
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see_jerek
October 16, 2008, 2:30am Report to Moderator
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Hi Steve.

You are correct I don't want My private details to be put on any Forum.

And any nonsense about Me being you has just been blown away now that Ronjo has agreed to participate as well.

Plus I have had the pleasure of meeting three forum Members in the flesh Mate.

And all but one of the three are members here as well as on Victor's Forum.

OK Steve we will sort things out as we go along.

I don't mind waiting until Ronjo can be available Either........It will be good for us all to meet....Plus having another person from overseas would dispel any doubts about the tests being True & Honest.

Rest assured Steve that Ronjo & I will treat You Fairly and report back with the absolute Truth to Both Forums.

Yours Sincerely.

Lanky.









Hooray! this is really getting somewhere at last.
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Steve
October 16, 2008, 6:52am Report to Moderator

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Ronjo I can demonstrate to any number of people, and would be happy to meet you, but I'm understandably not going to pay for everyone's airfares and accommodation. I'll cover Lanky's airfares and various expenses but you would need to pay your own way if you attended too. I'm really looking forward to this and putting an end to the rubbish about me. Lanky I'll call you today.
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Steve
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I'm getting some messages about what will be demonstrated so I'll address it here. I'll demonstrate:

1. The standard roulette computer (http://www.roulettecomputers.com)
2. The hybrid roulette computer (http://www.hybridroulettecomputer.com)
3. The roulette system without electronics (http://www.genuinewinner.com)

I'll also demonstrate two of Mark Howe's computers (his mobile phone and psion 3a version) and Forester's FF IQE6 - this is not to discredit them, but to verify my claims about their devices is not merely nonsense between competitors. I'll prepare a clear itinerary and list of things to cover - everything from working principles of the system, to irrefutable tests for the computers. The bottom line is Lanky will see more than what he needs.

As for when, that depends on what Lanky and I arrange, and Ronjo's availability if he attends. I'll speak with Lanky today.
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see_jerek
October 16, 2008, 8:40am Report to Moderator
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I'm getting some messages about what will be demonstrated so I'll address it here. I'll demonstrate:

1. The standard roulette computer (http://www.roulettecomputers.com)
2. The hybrid roulette computer (http://www.hybridroulettecomputer.com)
3. The roulette system without electronics (http://www.genuinewinner.com)

I'll also demonstrate two of Mark Howe's computers (his mobile phone and psion 3a version) and Forester's FF IQE6 - this is not to discredit them, but to verify my claims about their devices is not merely nonsense between competitors. I'll prepare a clear itinerary and list of things to cover - everything from working principles of the system, to irrefutable tests for the computers. The bottom line is Lanky will see more than what he needs.

As for when, that depends on what Lanky and I arrange, and Ronjo's availability if he attends. I'll speak with Lanky today.


Hi Steve,

I am defintely not getting involed in this,I don't stand a chance at all with my crap skills in roulette and I am defintely not considered a respectable member across all forums.Nevertheless I do have some faith in you putting it off.Winning roulette in tens and hundreds is one issue,winning roulette in tens and hundreds of thousands is another different thing all together,even winning 1 or 5 units is still considered winning isn't it.If it has been advertise on the web then you got to show the people attending the demo how it is done.There has been some negative talk about you at VLS but I did make  a statement to ask everyone to keep their views to themselves and not tarnish other's reputation until the truth is out.

Let's up the stakes a little shall we?All or nothing.Do it in a real casino instead of a controlled enviroment.it may not be convincing enough,even if you are prove your methods are effective in a controlled enviroment.People will accuse you of rigging the wheel or the  wheel is not level these sort of issues.There is a chinese saying that goes like this "Real gold is not afraid of fire".Its a simple statement yet deep in meaning,I am sure all of us know what that statement means.I used to serve in the military and we always have this culture."Do it once,Do it good"Its time to shut people up with their rubbish talk,you want to do this don't you?

Once again,I wish you best of luck and yes I am putting my money on you.


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Steve
October 16, 2008, 12:22pm Report to Moderator

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No matter what is done in the demo to Lanky, there will still be people that attack me, for varied reasons. Even when I conduct successful public demos, and even when I arrange othyer public demos as I'm doing now, some people are just not interested in the truth as it does not suit them. There are competitors, banned players, players that had no idea what they were doing, and even banned forum members that I've pissed off over the years, and they'd love nothing more than their claims about me to be true. They will fight to protect their ego. After I meet Lanky, will these people suddenly admit they were wrong? No, of course not. These are not the type of people to admit they were wrong and say "sorry". They'll just make more stupid excuses as they always have when their false claims are refuted.

I cannot demonstrate the computers in real casinos Australia as they are illegal here. The laws specifically state that even possessing them in the gaming area is an instant $5000 fine, whether it is used or not. Actually using it is a whole lot worse. Check the laws with the gaming commission for yourself. As for the system, if I demonstrated over 1,000 spins, that would be about 2 days of play and still people will argue it is possibly luck. Even a red/black system can end up a winner over 1,000 spins. Anyone that understands advantage play would understand that it is easy to lose 1 or 2 days in a week, but very difficult to lose by the end of the week. In other words, anything can happen in the short term. The house edge is not a short-term thing, and neither is overcoming it. What would a successful or unsuccessful test in a real casino prove? Not much - just that over that sample of spins, a profit was made. To the inexperienced, it sounds like the ultimate test, but in actual fact it proves very little whatever the outcome. Mere results of a test is only part of an overall picture. Positive test results do not necesarily prove effectiveness. I plan to give a lot better proof than solely real wheel tests. The demo to Lanky will constitute actual spins on a real wheel, but more importantly it is about validating principles and understand what it is my systems and technology do, and seeing them do it. What i mean is validating principles, not just success in trials - for example with the roulette computers, they beep when the ball is predicted to fall. I can show Lanky 100 or so spins on a real wheel, and we can check the results and/or he can just listen to the computer beep when the ball is predicted to fall, and he will plainly see it is accurate. In fact with Lanky I intend to do both - that is test over real spins, and he will hear the beeps etc. I'll be doing a lot more though, even Forester's different diamond test etc. Another example is Lanky will see my computer predict which diamond will be hit, and the type of hit that will occur. i.e will the ball fall straight down, or hit the top part of the diamond and bounce a fair way accross the wheel. How accurately? Within 1/3 of the diamond, which means my computer can determine if the ball will hit the top, center or bottom part of a specific diamond. A false claim? Lanky will see it for himself over as many spins as he needs to be convinced. This alone will be very clear proof of effectiveness, and it will be better than real wheel tests alone, although as I said we'll do real wheel tests also.

As for whatever may be said about me at VLS, there will always be morons that attack me. You probably mean Bago. He is a complete dickhead that doesnt know what he's talking about. He's probably anticipating further embarassment. Of course Bago is going to defend himself because if he's proven wrong, then people are going to see him as an incompetent fool and he knows that. Bago said "there is no reason why Steven Georges hoo-hoo would refuse to show the accuracy of his computer in the real casino environment since he states that it is undetectable and that it beats the most modern wheels available." - actually yes Bago, there are very good reasons as stated above - you have always shown how "young" you are. But do I even need to test in a real casino? No. A wheel is a wheel no matter where it is. Lanky can spin the wheel himself. And besides I will show Lanky things that will leave him in no doubt that not only is my computer effective on my wheels, but it would be effective on any wheel design under most conditions (there are of course obvious exceptions such as wheel rotors that change speed after no more bets is called). People like Forester may disagree with that claim, because his computer wouldn't do it and he believes no-one can possibly be better than him and he is king.

If anyone argues my wheel has magnets or is tampered with: firstly the wheel will be disassembled to show no tampering. Secondly, basic things like the timing of ball fall beep will show accuracy. Additionally there will be scatter charts and various statistical analysis. If this is really an issue, we should wait for my Mk7 Huxley wheel to arrive which is exactly the wheel currently used by my local casino, crown casino.

As for people attacking me: It happened before I publicly demonstrated anything, and it happened after public demos. Before public demos, Forester swore on his life they would never take place. After my public demos, Forester said it was probably just my family and friends that attended. To people that actually attended, Forester's comments seemed incredibly stupid. And it will happen after Lanky and Ronjo visit me too. I'm not expecting clowns like Bago to stop attacking me because they have something to lose from the truth. No matter what Lanky's opinions, some people will always attack me.  Am i aiming to shut the critics up once and for all? That's impossible. Some people are complete morons and will keep going no matter what. My aim is so that REASONABLE people will know fact from fiction.

After speaking to Lanky, it is clear he is a very straight-forward type guy. If there is bullshit, he will see though it. If something is legit, it will be clear. If for one second I believed Lanky would leave unconvinced about the accuracy of my claims, I would not be proceeding, but I am proceeding with absolute confidence because I know very well the capabilities of my technology.

On another note, if others want to attend, this is fine but I am only going to pay for Lanky's airfares/accomondation etc. Whether or not Ronjo attends depends on availability and timing. Either way everything will be filmed, although I may just publish the audio because images/video of equipment need to be censored, faces need to the blotched out etc. Besides Lanky's written opinions and the audio alone should be ample.
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On another note, if others want to attend, this is fine but I am only going to pay for Lanky's airfares/accomondation etc. Whether or not Ronjo attends depends on availability and timing. Either way everything will be filmed, although I may just publish the audio because images/video of equipment need to be censored, faces need to the blotched out etc. Besides Lanky's written opinions and the audio alone should be ample.

Iwonder.

As You can see mate from the above Quote from Steve You are more then welcome to be part of this as long as You pay Your own expenses.

It will be great if we can meet up Mate…
Even more so for us if Ronjo flies in from South Africa.

Thanks for the being so gererouse with Your offer Mate.
I will certainly take you up on it Cobber.

I will be in contact with You My friend.

Lanky.
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After speaking to Lanky, it is clear he is a very straight-forward type guy. If there is bullshit, he will see though it. If something is legit, it will be clear. If for one second I believed Lanky would leave unconvinced about the accuracy of my claims, I would not be proceeding, but I am proceeding with absolute confidence because I know very well the capabilities of my technology.

Hi Guys.

I spoke to Steve by phone Yesterday Wednesday the 16th of October Australian time.

This Test looks like it is going to take place the week starting with Monday the 10th November.

Now Contrary to popular belief I am not the idiot that some people may think I am.

Lets get a few things straight first.


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This from Steve
“I cannot demonstrate the computers in real casinos Australia as they are illegal here. The laws specifically state that even possessing them in the gaming area is an instant $5000 fine, whether it is used or not. Actually using it is a whole lot worse.”


There is not a chance in hell that I would put Myself at risk by being in a Casino with this thing.

There would be consequences to pay if caught & I cannot afford to take that chance.

Nor could or would My good Mate Ronjo  want to be put in that position either.

Remember Ronjo sometimes plays in $25 units & bets 12 numbers at a time = $300 a spin.

He would not want to jeopardise what he does for a minute of madness.

I will not be swayed by what people find wrong with Steve .

Nor will I be influenced by Steve saying how good His things work.

I can’t afford to do that if I am to be totally impartial to both sides before the tests.

I do know a little about VB play…Ronjo knows a lot about it.

I also know a bit about Bias wheels.

I will ask Steve that the numbers spun be recorded & I will have those numbers analysed by a friend of mine to see if the wheel was Bias in any way shape or form that could have influenced the results before I report back to both Forums.

My sole aim is to find out if what Steve states is true or not.
Then both Forums will have a totally Honest & Unbiased opinion/s.

Your Friend.

Lanky.
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Steve
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Thanks Lanky.

Also it appears Bago is still trying to discredit me. Since he found out about this public testing, he has intensified his attacks against me. I assume he is concerned his charade will be revealed again.

Either way, Lanky you will see whatever you need to see, but if the wheel being used will be an issue, we should wait for my Mk7 Huxley wheel to arrive - we can do testing on both. Bago will say the Mk7 used voodoo magnets or something or that it wasn't in a real casino so it doesn't count. I was originally told the mk7 would arrive late October, and I'm waiting for actual dates for arrival. Perhaps to start though, I'll send you a DVD of a roulette computer test that isnt published on my web site. I'll send an email about this. It will at least get the ball rolling with validation of my claims.
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