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Steve
April 3, 2009, 6:12am Report to Moderator

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First we're doing the computer as it's simpler.
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hibsboy
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Any progress chaps ?
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Steve
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Ronjo just received the dvd with ivorine ball.
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Steve
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Ronjo, I just sent you an email with additional data. Again your focus should be the different diamond test. You should find it very easy to validate my claims about the 6 and 3 pocket arc. After that part is done, then we can look at the accuracy at which diamonds can be predicted and overall accuracy.

@ everyone: Ronjo can test for himself the accuracy of diamond hit predictions, for both the mk7 wheel and older mk2 wheel. As I said previously, on the mk7 wheel you can predict which diamond will be hit comfortably the majority of times (about 80% depending on tolerance settings), but with the mk2 wheel you can predict it even to the part of the diamond. Ronjo has a dvd showing predictions on parts of the diamonds, which will probably be released before the mk7 videos.
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mattflann
April 10, 2009, 7:18am Report to Moderator
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surely everyone knows roulette is a game of chance you can never prdict where the ball lands
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Steve
April 10, 2009, 10:02am Report to Moderator

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Mattflan, are you sure about that? I think this is the wrong place for you. Either that or you have a lot of learning to do, not to offend you.
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Ronjo
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Quoted from mattflann
surely everyone knows roulette is a game of chance you can never prdict where the ball lands


Hi Steve,

Yes everything is in order and working,it wont be long and I can post some results from my findings.

@ Mattflann I have to agree with Steve, and is correct in saying that Roulette can be predicted, and that is why the casino's have to apply anti-measures with undisireable players or advantage players.

Regards,
Ronjo.
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mattflann
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not offended i hope your right but have tried various roullete systems on line casinos which rarely work hope you can prove yours does
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Steve
April 14, 2009, 7:42am Report to Moderator

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Matt, you are probably accustomed to things like red/black or other outside betting strategies, and systems designed for RNG online casinos. That's why you havent had any success.
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NormanStanleyFletcher
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I've got an open mind about this and am looking forward to seeing the results of the test.  It's not something that i've ever looked into or studied so am genuinely intrigued!  
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Anandram
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If you look into or study it + a little bit of logic would= you not really being THAT surprised of the outcome to this. I have 100% faith this will be successful because if logically addresses all aspects of why and how.

I find it really, really funny that people find it so difficult to believe that physics (or other avenues of physics) if applied correctly can yield very near to accurate results with roulette. The obvious trick is finding that method(s). Not all the time because it would be a pain in the butt trying to figure out where it exactly lands all the time, but enough of the time to do as Steve mentions - beating the house edge and in-turn winning consistently.

Seriously, people need to start adding 1 and 1, for real.

Thats not directed at you Norman, just in general mate.
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Ronjo
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UPDATE: It won't be long now and I will have some good news by the beginning  of next week,I will keep you all updated just in case you think I have eloped.

Regards,
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We are on the edge of our seats.
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Steve
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No problem Ronjo, thanks.

By the way, again you are being accused of being me by idiots like Forester. Bago made that claim first, but it was an obvious despereate claim they'd make. Only a few sheep on forester's forum believe him, but most importantly just about everyone else knows better. Plus there are other similarly well known and respected forum members that will vouch for your identity - this is exactly why you were a suitable candidate - reputable and well-known. I know my computer well, so I know what you will find assuming application is correct. On that note if you find my claims are inaccurate, let me know and it will be addressed. Again the main thing is the different diamond test and claims about 3 and 6 pocket arc.

I believe it is very clear both bago and forester know you are not me. But they aim to discredit you because it means discrediting me. I don't know what's wrong with forester's head but he makes stuff up in his head. One recent thing he said is that I have no partners where they get my computer for free - he says I only offer this (http://www.roulettecomputers.com/partners.html) as a desperate cry to get attention. Hmmm, but Ronjo you actually spoke to one of my partners for about an hour, and you can speak to many more upon request. Really I dont know how on Earth Forester can make such a ludicrous statement. He is either absolutely blind and ignorant, or a very calculating liar.

Anyhows, nevermind the accusations about you. We dont really care what forester's sheep believe - they are the minority. Perhaps soon enough they'll learn who's been lying to them.
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There's a new "moron" attacking me. He claims to have bought my system and it's all a scam, that I'm evil etc etc, ie all the usual garbage. Below I've posted full details about this person and correspondence between us. This is a good example of how I develop "enemies" that want to harm me, and they try to do that by calling me nasty names like scammer even when they know it's not true. It's a lot of information but you can see how idiots like these give me the label "scammer":

The person is "Yous" on Forester's forum. See correspondence from him (Yous) below. Basically he completely flipped when I wasn't on skype the first time he tried, when he didn't even let me know he was logged on (despite clear instructions - I dont use skype unless asked, but he could have called via phone). He first attacked me on forester's forum (steve-hater forum) saying I was a scammer, that i had scammed him for $2500 and my system doesnt work, which is all nonsense. So I asked him what on earth he was on about. His excuse was he knows what he said is not true - he just wanted to get my attention. He said I may be a genius with my methods but he just wanted to get my attention. You dont just go out revealing who you are and attacking me just to get attention. OF COURSE forester professed this player's testimony of me as even more proof that I'm the scammer he claims - yes a solid testimony, just like Bago's. So he broke the contracts doing this, and I dont want morons on my team. He showed no trust at all, and the contracts exist to enforce trust which is important to maintain secrets (ip) - so I banned him. I didn't ban him from spite, but he behaved like bago so I dont want him near secrets - it is my moral and legal right to protect secrets my players rely on. Now he's on a crusade to discredit and harm me. Yes another person trying to tell everyone that advantage play is an evil scam... but only when I teach it (despite my methods being much better than traditional methods). Yous (Rana) is now saying rubbish like my methods "suck". He had the primordials document for about 2-3 weeks, which contains only an outline of what I can teach him, and some very basic ballistic methods even I advise not to use because they are very elemental. Rana had never spoken to me before and he sure never came close to anything but primordial methods.

Anyway, here's the correspondence. Another kid like Bago. It's people like this that have given me a bad reputation (red text is from Rana (Yous) and blue text is from me). Without this basic information and correspondence, OF COURSE morons like Forester will exploit it all, twist the story and try to discredit me - as usual and without any regard for the truth. If I published every little detail from every clown I've dealt with, I would really have no time for things that mattered, and most people wouldnt bother reading it anyway - they base opinions on words like "scammer". Anyway here's the correspondence:

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FROM RANA (YOUS): Hey, steve, your a scam!!! ur online forum of players isnt up and i waited for a long time on thursday for u to come online but u didnt, u r a fucking scam, and if u were such a good company u would obviously employ more people to atleast pick up the phone for u ! i have talked to mark howe and myrulet.come guy and the both say they can help me get my money back from u ! transfer my money back and keep your shitty system cause these guys actually talk to me on phone whenever i want, and selling their computer for half the price!! and your custom variants are just sad. cause hnestly i didnt even get a chance to look at them. please just send me back my money.

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TO RANA:

Rana, see below:

You said:

Hey, steve, your a scam!!! ur online forum of players isnt up and i waited for a long time on thursday for u to come online but u didnt, u r a fucking scam, and if u were such a good company u would obviously employ more people to atleast pick up the phone for u ! i have talked to mark howe and myrulet.come guy and the both say they can help me get my money back from u ! transfer my money back and keep your shitty system cause these guys actually talk to me on phone whenever i want, and selling their computer for half the price!! and your custom variants are just sad. cause hnestly i didnt even get a chance to look at them. please just send me back my money.

My response:

First let's consider you are a new player and first received initial documentation (primordials) on 23rd March. It is now 10th April, so it's been just a few weeks. During that time, I stated repeatedly that due to some kind of security setting on your computer, your emails were being blocked by my firewall. So I requested you change email addresses so we could communicate better, and ensure none of your emails were blocked. Only today it seems you finally changed email addresses.

I have looked back at our history, which isnt really much of a history. All that's happened is I sent you the primordials document, informed you about an issue with your email, had very short and vague emails, and my last email to you was:

"Then you can use vb if you want. There are many forms of VB. Confirm whether or not this is what you want to focus on."

I had not received a response.

Now once you confirmed you want to focus on bets after ball release (visual ballistics), I was going to send you two DVDs of roulette wheel footage - one for a mk2 huxley, and the other for a mk7 huxley (huxley's current model) - this is for practise when I teach you various VB techniques. The dvds and shipping are not any extra cost - it's part of the support you paid for. Typically when a new player starts, they receive the primordials document which contains some basic ballistic techniques, and an overview of the techniques that are available to you. From there, the player lets me know which technique(s) they want to focus on, then they learn from me directly. Nothing in the primordials document is overly sensitive, because I know documents eventually leak, from people like you. Some people that have "acquired" a primordials document believe it must be my system and that it's all you get for $2500, but we can let these idiots believe that. The players know better.

As for starting to teach you your prefered choice of techniques, you've shown I can't trust you with anything sensitive, so we never got that far. Like I said, my last email to you word-for-word is above. And the next thing I know, you send me an abusive and threatening email. So you can imagine my surprise when I opened my email this morning.

See below points:

1. The forum has been temporarily down because of security issues. Specifically some players have not been trustworthy - just like you. It appears to be only 1 or 2 players, but it only takes the minority to ruin it for others. After discussing it with my partners, and other players, we felt it was best to disable the forum for now until the issues with information leaks is resolved. We are not yet sure how we are going to do this, but ultimately I feel it will be as simple as only well known and trusted players will have access. Why not every forum member? Because it only takes one individual, who doesnt have integrity, to ruin it for others. I dont have tolerance for contract breaches, and neither do my partners or the more experienced players. What you have done is blatantly breach the contracts and why? Because you couldnt get me on skype, and got upset, but I'll get to that later.

2. My company has been in business since 1999 - before that, we operated under another a standard business name which was also reputable. When it comes to specifically my roulette system, I care very much about whether or not a player succeeds. You never had the chance to find that out because you flipped and showed your instability of character - you broke the contracts. I suggest you re-read the contract so you understand both of our legal obligations.

3. Regarding calling me: my primary method for contact is email, and anyone can call me via phone any thursday. Often I am flat out taking calls on thursdays. Skype is secondary to phone, and it is usually reserved for the hour or so long support calls with players, which saves the player money. Generally if you need to speak with me on skype, you need only shoot me a quick email, or call me via phone briefly to let me know to log onto skype. Unfortunately as I'm one person, I cant take multiple calls at once. None of the partners will take support calls because I'm more experienced - players want to hear from me. Other staff are either programmers, or basic admin and wont be able to help you. If you couldnt reach me and needed to schedule a call on a day other than thursday, this is easily done.

4. You state mark howe and miro zirdum say they can help get your money back - they are deluded. I'm sorry but they have nothing to do with this. Those idiots have already said and done everything conceivable to harm or discredit me - at the end of the day, they are trying to discredit my computers and systems, but they simply cannot change basic truth which is why they struggle and resort to petty lies and manipulations.

5. Good for you if you get forester's or mark's computer for half price. Then you can learn for yourself why it is at the special low, low price of half price. I have two of mark's computers, and forester's iqe6. One of Mark's and forester's computers were sent to me for free by my computer players who know what a superior computer is - after all, why keep what you dont need to use. This appears to be a source of bitterness for mark and forester, good for them. Neither of them have even seen one of my computers - at best they have third-hand distorted information. Of course they say otherwise, so you need to research the matter.

6. Regarding custom variants, you said "and your custom variants are just sad. cause honestly i didnt even get a chance to look at them". Ok so you admit you know nothing about them, then say they are "sad"? Do you even know what they are? They are a culmination of every possible technique and pattern to beat roulette. Let's put this into layman's terms for you, a very simple explanation: a format 3 custom variant would be visual ballistics, but with avoiding bets on predicted sectors that have a negative bias in a quick and practical way - this is only a very simplistic example. If you want to call that "sad", it only shows how ignorant you are about what custom variants are. You are telling me the idea of taking individual techniques that may give a 1% edge, or a 2% edge, and combining them together to give an overall 3% edge is nonsense?

Rana, I'm sorry but you have showed absolutely no integrity - you broke the contracts, and have the audacity to threaten and abuse me. Like I said, as far as I'm concerned, I was just waiting for the word to send you the practise dvds before teaching you various VB techniques. But the next thing I knew, you sent me an abusive email, attacking me and accusing me of being a "scam", and I'm left wondering and scratching my head.

I'm sorry but you have made a mistake, but I have dealt with numerous unstable morons like you, and I dont have tolerance for people that clearly show they cannot be trusted with anything. It is people like you that many people believe I'm some scammer - because you post rubbish on forums, and because you've actually purchased from me, people naturally assume you actually know what you're talking about.

From here you have two options:

1. You can continue on your current course, calling me nasty names like "scammer", posting on forums and showing no integrity.

2. You remove your public comments, make an apology and make it known you've barely had any contact with me, then call me personally to sort the issues out and develop and understanding.

If you take option 2, I will accept you as a player, but I'll just let you know now damaged trust is very hard to repair, so dont expect to be taught any of my more powerful methods for some time.

You have to understand you clearly broke the contracts. By right I shouldnt have anything further to do with you. Where we go from here is up to you, but should you send me further abusive emails or make ridiculous threats I dont respond to, you wont receive a response.


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FROM RANA:

You know what? mark and myrulet.com guy doesnt even know anything about your system, i didnt give them any details nor did I go to any forum and post anything about you, neither did i release any details or broke any agreements. secondly i never used any foul language you did, you called me a moron all i did was a prove a point. I REPLIED TO YOUR EMAIL ABOUT VB, BUT DIDNT GET ANY REPLY, and i was searching google for cheap computers and then i came across the forum, i did all this to get your attention!!! do you really think that if i have this much money to spend on your system, im an idiot or as u say a moron? im an elite and the top class for everything, but because you dont do anything for me, i had to get your attention!, if i can afford your system, i can afford your computers, your hybrid computer and everyother computer out there in the same times, im a multi-millionare, i dont even care about the mark or any 1 else, its all about you and me, and honestly steve, im a bit disappointed, i see why you got mad at me, but you had no right to call me a moron. i agree what i did was wrong to a certain degree becasue i started calling you a scammer, which i had no right and im sorry for that but all this .... you took it to the next level. My company is 10 times bigger then yours and i run multi national offices with more then 200 staff members, so please if you really think that im stupid enough to make any mistakes, think again. What pissed me off is that i didnt get enought of your attention, and i SAY AGAIN, YOUR ATTENTION, WHICH PISSED ME OFF. cause thats what i paid for.... and i have every right to get instant response, and you should even check up on me, AS A NEW PLAYER (ACCORDING TO YOU) just to make sure things are right, you might be a genius for inventin all this, but im a better business and always remember customers come first, and you second, and i think that is one of the reasons why your on all those forums with bad names and image, if you treat your customers right, this would have never happened.

Now because we are in this together, you selling me your precious system and me buying it for a resonable amount you should consider what to do next and tell me. and even if this doesnt go anywhere i promise you that i wont ask you for a refund or release any information about your system , because even if you do go through our history the very first thing i told you was that i wanted to have fun in roulette, LOGICAL FUN, and you said to you its about money. but yeah.. lets see what happens..


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TO RANA:

MY RESPONSE:

1. You said: "mark and myrulet.com guy doesnt even know anything about your system, i didnt give them any details nor did I go to any forum and post anything about you, neither did i release any details or broke any agreements."

Rubbish. You have lied and shown me again why I shouldnt trust you. Word for word you said at forester's forum:

"i was stupid enough to think that it might work and I BOUGHT THE SYSTEM FOR $2500USD!!! I GOT SCAMMED, THEN I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED, u know SH, is the best scammer, he is actually cleveer, he talks about how he would give u special charts about his so called "Custom variant", he said he has a private player forum ( that doesnt work ) and he is only available on thursdays and he is the only 1 who runs the company"

Now at forester's forum, you have had all traces to this statement removed. This includes other forum members responses to your post. You dont have authority to moderate his forum, so you have obviously asked forester to remove your posts, and all traces of it in attempt to fool me.

I addressed the issue of custom variants in my previous email - again CVs are simply a culmination of patterns for a maximum overall edge. Only someone that didnt know what they were could criticise them. Perhaps you are unaware about a year ago I had elements of my custom variant system professionally tested - patterns you would know nothing about. The report was released, and results clearly positive, but I did not agree with the final statement because it was too inconclusive irrespective of statistical analysis.

As for me being the only person that runs the company, I am the director. It is my company. I have staff such as programmers and partners, many of which are ex-casino staff, but they very rarely take support calls and if they do, it is usually only for other partners. You can call me on any weekday, provided the call is scheduled. As explained to you, the player only forum is disabled for now, because of 1 or 2 untrustworthy players. The forum will reopen again soon, but only to more experienced and trustworthy players. As explained on the contracts, forum access is a privilege, not a right - it is not part of what you purchased.

secondly i never used any foul language you did, you called me a moron all i did was a prove a point.


You called me a scammer. I dont know what point you think you proved, but to me the only point you proved is your lack of integrity.

I REPLIED TO YOUR EMAIL ABOUT VB, BUT DIDNT GET ANY REPLY

At that point I had promptly replied to every email you ever sent me. If one was not received by me, it was almost definitely the issues with your email account I had notified you about numerous times, but you chose to ignore.

, and i was searching google for cheap computers and then i came across the forum, i did all this to get your attention!!! do you really think that if i have this much money to spend on your system, im an idiot or as u say a moron? im an elite and the top class for everything, but because you dont do anything for me, i had to get your attention!

So let me get this right: You accused me of being a scammer, and said you ran to clowns like forester and howe, ALL JUST TO GET MY ATTENTION? What on earth did you think my reaction would be?

A moron can be wealthy, but you already said on forester's forum that you are a student. You had those statements removed, along with your other statements, but not before they were saved. Sorry but you quite clearly come accross as young, but irrespective I have absolutely no interest in your financial status.

if i can afford your system, i can afford your computers, your hybrid computer and everyother computer out there in the same times, im a multi-millionare, i dont even care about the mark or any 1 else, its all about you and me, and honestly steve, im a bit disappointed, i see why you got mad at me, but you had no right to call me a moron.

i agree what i did was wrong to a certain degree becasue i started calling you a scammer, which i had no right and im sorry for that but all this .... you took it to the next level.


To a certain degree? Everything you did was wrong. I did NOTHING wrong, and you attack me, posting on forums, calling me a scammer, then having the posts and all traces of it removed in the hopes I didnt see it. It is inexcusable - I dont want to deal with people like you and can you really blame me?

My company is 10 times bigger then yours and i run multi national offices with more then 200 staff members, so please if you really think that im stupid enough to make any mistakes, think again.

I doubt it, but I dont know why you'd think I care anyway.

What pissed me off is that i didnt get enought of your attention, and i SAY AGAIN, YOUR ATTENTION, WHICH PISSED ME OFF. cause thats what i paid for.... and i have every right to get instant response, and you should even check up on me, AS A NEW PLAYER (ACCORDING TO YOU) just to make sure things are right,

Refer to my previous email. I have always answered your emails promptly, despite the fact that because of the problem with your emails meant I had to manually filter through the phishing folder in my email box to check for your emails (an issue I told you about many times, but you ignored until now when it's too late). Then on your FIRST attempt to call me, barely 2 weeks after receiveing the primorials doc, you call on skype, without letting me know you will be there. You could have called via phone, or sent me an email to let me know. Then you have a tantrum and post on forester's forum claiming I'm a scammer, and send me an abusive email accusing me of being a scammer, although you said you did all that just to get my attention.

you might be a genius for inventin all this, but im a better business and always remember customers come first, and you second, and i think that is one of the reasons why your on all those forums with bad names and image, if you treat your customers right, this would have never happened.

So first I'm a scammer, and now I'm a genius. But that's right - you didnt really believe I was a scammer - you just wanted to get my attention. Irrespective you still broke the contracts, and behaved in an untrustworthy manner. Understand the core issue here is trust.

Now because we are in this together, you selling me your precious system and me buying it for a resonable amount you should consider what to do next and tell me.

In my previous email I told you what you had to do, but instead you deceptively had your rubbish statements removed without any kind of apology and explanation. I told you if trust was to be built, you would have to apologize on forester's forum and explain why you attacked me and called me a scammer. If that is embarassing or unpleasant for you, consider it is your own doing.

and even if this doesnt go anywhere i promise you that i wont ask you for a refund or release any information about your system , because even if you do go through our history the very first thing i told you was that i wanted to have fun in roulette, LOGICAL FUN, and you said to you its about money. but yeah.. lets see what happens..

Yousuf, you have even attacked my blackjack computer on forester's forum. Forester of course attacked it too. You are fast becoming one of forester's forum sheep. As for forester, that idiot attacks everything conceivable about me - I couldnt care less about him and just want him to stick to his own life. You dont know the type of arrogant, malicious and dishonest person he is. Regarding my technology, he hasnt even seen my standard computer, and certainly not my microprocessor computers and hybrids. Neither you or forester know the first thing about my blackjack computers. Idiots like forester attack everything conceivable about me out of spite and jealousy, and some idiots believe him. It doest help with people like you that attack me for ridiculous reasons. Shuffle analysis is not new, and neither is card counting. The culmination of each of the methods for a combined overall edge is the same concept of custom variants.

At this point, you dont have anything sensitive about my system. You only have an introductory document (primordials), and I give it free to many people before they become players. It only has basic techniques that are very rarely used, and only the basics of various techniques (more like an outline) like bias analysis and vb are explained in it. Even forester has a copy, albeit much older, but he wants people to think it's everything to harm me. Like I said previously, you learn the techniques you use directly from me. You learn more over time as our relationship and trust develops. It will always be done this way because few people are trustworthy. As a result, nothing overly sensitive has ever leaked.

Looking at basic facts:

1. You clearly breached the contracts. Read the contracts to understand your entitlements.

2. You attacked me publicly, then deceptively had the comments removed, and all traces of it. However you did forget the blackjack thread on forester's forum, where he refers to you being "scammed" by me. Did you rectify the situation by telling Forester your attacks against me were not about what you believed? ie - they were just to get my attention. No you didnt. It seems clear you were just upset that you couldnt reach me the very first time you tried calling me on skype, when you could have just used a regular phone. Even http://www.genuinewinner.com/contact.html clearly says skype calls must be scheduled so I know to log on and take your call.

In my eyes you basically flipped over the smallest thing, then like an unstable and unpredictable child you go on a rampage sending me abusive emails, accusing me of being a scammer, and posting such claims on forester's forum. People like you are why some of the public believe I'm a "scammer". You broke the contracts, lied to me about posts on forester's forum, showed lack of integrity and trustworthiness. Now consider many of my players use my system to earn a living, literally some to support their families, and they rely on me to keep intimate parts of my system out of the hands of people like you, you tell me what you expect me to do. You must respect what the system means to many people. My teams use computers, so breaches for the system dont harm me directly.

PS - By all means buy forester's computer. Dont buy the zapper though, you will completely waste your money - you are better off with vb, but dont use forester's vb unless you can magically hover on top of the wheel and see the ball and all numbers 100% of the time. VB needs to be practical, and in a real casino environment you see only part of the wheel. His FFA has more merit, but dont expect it to beat modern wheels. Forester's algorithms were professionally tested by Mike Barnett, and even he said results were close to random. I found the same on my mk7 wheel, which I knew would be the case because of his device's shortcomings. I suggest you have a good read of http://www.roulettecomputers.com/comparison.htm for an explanation of why - especially the bottom. One day forester will rip up his computer and start from scratch when he realizes why microprocessors arent good enough. Thats why I dont develop microprocessor versions anymore. But it's all he knows to program which is why he sticks to them. Microprocessor computers are cheaper to develop, but if they were better, that's what I'd use for my standard computers. The hybrid uses many different microprocessors but not in the same way forester uses them. I'm not trying to sell you anything, I would not permit you to buy a computer anyway - I dont want anything to do with you.

Although you did apologize and admit your error, you did not do anything to rectify things. You did not publicly apologize, and you lied to me further about your posts. By right I should tell you where to go, but I WANT to give you another chance because I do want to help people. But you must also understand I owe it to other players to not have people like you on our team. Trustworthy people dont do what you just did, and in all honesty I would never feel comfortable trusting you with anything beyond the primordials.

In the end, what matters here is you clearly broke the contracts, you have lied to me further, you have not rectified the situation, and you have done and said numerous things that clearly show it is not wise to trust you. In this business especially, trust is essential, and I dont trust you, for good reason. Dont take it personally, but realistically it is unwise to deal with you further, so you can consider our relationship terminated.


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Forester's version of all this is that I banned him for calling me a scammer, refuse his refund and tease him saying "well I was just about to give you something better". You're an idiot forester. The DVDs for VB are given to players who want to learn VB. It is typical of your ignorance, but then again you twist anything to negative anyway.
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