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Ronjo
February 4, 2009, 2:05pm Report to Moderator
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Hi Steve,

I have recieved the e-mails thanks,and will let you know when I receive the package.

Regards,
Ronjo.
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Steve
February 10, 2009, 8:45am Report to Moderator

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UPDATE: As of the 9th Feb, Ronjo's computer is in South Africa just awaiting delivery.

Ronjo, I havent had the chance to do the extra dvd with the larger ball so it's easier to see, but still will soon. You should be fine with the dvds I sent though.
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Steve
February 18, 2009, 12:08pm Report to Moderator

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Hi Ronjo, still hasnt arrived? The tracking says it's still waiting to be released, but sometimes the tracking is a bit behind. Also I need you to check the version you have in global settings. I may send you an updated computer with the latest version. It isnt a difference for demo purposes, but the later version achieves higher accuracy sooner than the version you have.

On another note, Bago is going all-out attacking me on random forums now. Bago, you can go on and on and on, but in the end the truth will catch up with you, and the others. Who knows what you'll do then, who cares, but you wont admit it because you cant bare to be seen as stupid. You should rethink calling yourself the "truth seeker" because like the others, you aren't interested in the truth because of how it makes you look.
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Steve
February 18, 2009, 3:56pm Report to Moderator

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UPDATE: Ronjo I completed the new DVD with the ivorine 5/8 ball. Footage is good. Below is general information:

1. There are 100 spins.

2. Predictions are about 13 seconds before the ball falls

3. the ivorine ball is very bouncy and erratic, especially since I removed the softer plastic from the pockets, so the ball bounces on metal instead of plastic.

4. Exact number hit rate of a bit better than 1 in 20.

5. Only basic settings are used. As there are 100 spins, that's plenty to play around with the settings to see how accuracy improves.

6. The wheel is perfectly semi-tilted. The ball track has moderate distortions, and you can hear the rattle of the ball - it is quite significant. i used an "echoey" room so you can hear it better. The distortions significantly reduce accuracy. There are 3 dominant diamonds which are at 90 degree intervals. So there is one diamond, then 90 degrees across another diamond, and another diamond at another 90 degrees. Again it's a mk7 wheel, and it perfect represents 95% of wheels in modern casinos.

I'll try and ship the dvd tomorrow, but tomorrow is my call day (Thursday) so it may need to be Friday.

I deliberately didn't release anything overly sensitive in the video, so I can show it to others. If anyone wants to see it, let me know but there needs to be a reasonable level of trust - I wont just send it to anyone. Then you can have a good laugh at Bago and his claims about random predictions.

If any of forester's or mark's purchasers want to test with this footage, let me know. Their computers wouldnt have a hope of achieving such accuracy. And bare in mind I show the scatter chart at various parts throughout the demo so you know it is real, not just luck.
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Ronjo
February 19, 2009, 2:51am Report to Moderator
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Hi Steve,

Yes the goods have arrived at the Durban Airport with customs and waiting to be released,the post office staff tell me this could take 2-6 weeks to to be released.I am very keen to get started.I will let you know as soon as it is released.

Regards,
Ronjo.
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Steve
February 19, 2009, 6:37am Report to Moderator

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Bugger that's a long wait. It took no more than a week in customs for others. UK customs are the worst though. Keep an eye on your email for parcel tracking on another computer I'll send with updated software. It is very similar but is better for demo purposes as accuracy is higher earlier. I'll include the new dvd, plus an older one which is for tilted wheel. The tilted wheel one is for the older wheel. In both cases, very basic settings are used. Usually I do it that way so players can play around with the settings and see how accuracy is maximized.

PS - I checked and predictions are actually about 10 seconds before the ball falls. You can actually get earlier by a fair bit but in most cases you dont need to anyway.
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Anandram
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Just my tupence, UK customs normally give utmost worst case scenario. It wont take that long as chances are the Post office staff are giving a rough guestimate. Much like most staff in the UK for any company (without generalising), they tend to guess alot.
Im from the UK and i have experienced this many times.

"your parcel will be with you within 1-14 working days.", and i receive it 2 days later.
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Steve
February 23, 2009, 6:13am Report to Moderator

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Bago published a web page trying to discredit me. I updated the page at http://www.roulettewars.com/bago1.html to help him. Even now mark howe is emailing people about bago's site. Doesnt this all seem desperate? I think Mark forgot to tell everyone that Bago got mark's computer for free and believes it's a scam. I think he also forgot to tell them bago doesnt know how to read a scatter chart. Anyway see the info at the bottom half of http://www.roulettewars.com/bago1.html

I really dont know what's wrong with especially people like mark and bago. Some people are extremely screwy. Anyway here's a part of the text:

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To the layman, Bago's claims may appear like irrefutable proof that I'm the "scammer" he claims. To understand how manipulative he is, you need to carefully review the following:

1. He showed only HALF of the video, which is about only 50 spins. Why? Because the other half has a more favorable scatter chart, and he doesn't want you to see it.


2. In the half he did show:

a. There is indeed a peak, although it is not as clear as usual. This is exactly why he chose to show only this half of the video.

b. A level wheel is used, not an easily beaten tilted wheel.

c. A very light teflon ball is used to maximize ball bounce, and make where the ball falls from the ball track more difficult to predict.

d. Only the most basic settings are used. Why? So players can see accuracy with only elemental settings, and see how more advanced settings increase accuracy. The most advanced settings can achieve exact number hit rates of better than 1 in 15, and with predictions 10+ seconds before the ball falls.


3. Bago doesn't tell you about the freely available roulette computer videos already on my site. Why? Because they are conducted over 100 spins, double the amount of spins he shows, and the scatter chart of the computer is shown throughout the demonstration. To prove it is not merely coincidence, in one of the videos, half way through the video I reset the scatter chart and continue play. The footage is uncut. Continued play shows the peaks emerge in the same place, plus in both halves the direct number hit rate is 1 in 16. That kind of proof is nearly impossible to fake which is why I do it. Of course Bago doesn't want you to see it, or the other half of the video, or the other videos which have far more spins. Bago doesn't care about the truth because it doesn't suit him.


Now let's have a look at the chart that Bago calls "random". I added the blue line and red text to the chart:



Again while keeping in mind all the points raised above, such as the wheel being level, teflon ball is used, only basic computer settings being used, and Bago choosing the video half with the least favorable scatter chart, have a good look at the chart. You will notice the ball lands significantly more closer to the actual prediction (left and right sides of the chart). Additionally, the center of the chart has fewer values, because this is on the opposite side of the predictions, and it is no coincidence. Maybe Bago doesn't understand what he published. I believe it's both his inexperience, and that he wants to attack me relentlessly without a consideration for accuracy of statements. To anyone that actually understands the data, they can see Bago publishes data that supports me.

However, when you consider points like this and what Bago does to try and discredit me, you have to wonder WHY he has to rely on manipulating people. He is fully aware of his manipulation too. I could give many examples but one of my favorites is when he attacked my roulette forum under a fake name, his fake name was "STOPMAKINGSENSE". Bago, I'm sorry if truth makes sense - you are not just attacking me, you are attacking truth, but truth wins every time, eventually.

You can freely download a larger video with much more spins (100 spins) by clicking the image below. You can clearly see the scatter chart at various parts throughout the demo. Also bare in mind in this video too, a teflon ball is used, the wheel is level, and only the most basic settings are used. Accuracy is far greater with the more advanced settings, but still you can see even the basics settings produce high accuracy:


See video: http://www.roulettecomputers.com/demomq.wmv

NOTE: You can either order a DVD or download even higher quality footage for free from the roulette computer videos page.

Bago, again you are trying to fight against truth, not just me. Truth wins every time. I'm not interested in making you look like an idiot - you do that well yourself, and then it makes you want to attack me more. The other idiot that follows the same pattern is mark howe. I could say you both need to give up and stop wasting your life - I'm not interested in attacking you clowns. The main reason you keep attacking me is because you tend to fall flat on your face, but again this is not me - it is because you are trying to attack truth. I know neither of you will stop, because of your learning disability. Nevermind.

I REALLY DONT WANT TO WASTE MORE TIME EXPLAINING MORE RUBBISH FROM THOSE GUYS. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF NEUTRAL TESTING THAT ADDRESSES ALL THE RUBBISH CLAIMS. WE'LL FOCUS ON THAT
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Anandram
February 23, 2009, 6:23am Report to Moderator

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dont these guys have anything better to do rather than call you a scammer?
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Steve
February 23, 2009, 6:27am Report to Moderator

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Apparently not. You dont know half of it Anandram. What these guys do to try and harm me. Especially mark howe. Really he is a sick person. It's one thing to say that but to see everything this clown says and does is astonishing. If I published every little detail, truly it would be like a full time job. PS - Now mark calls himself "Professor Mark Anthony Howe" on his site. Not sure what else to say about this sick individual, but he used to give himself the title ESQ too. If I told everything about mark and bago, I would just waste time but people would have a better understanding that both of them literally appear to be sick, and it is not an exaggeration. Forester is not a sick person, he is just arrogant and ignorant, and doesnt want to look bad by being wrong, but he has a lot more sanity and reason that the others so there is at least some hope for working things out with forester, but I dont think his ego will let him - I already tried to work things out like men by calling him, be he acted like a dickhead.

Bago and Mark, I'll give this to you both in terms you can understand: if you are playing roulette betting on red/black and keep losing, dont go back to the ATM thinking you'll win back your losses. You are just going to lose again. What you two are doing is like going back to the ATM more and more, but each time your bets are higher and more intense, like your efforts. But the result is the same. Is it smart to just cut your losses and walk away, or keep trying harder? There is nothing either of you can do to change truth. Yes you probably both know that, but truth isnt what counts to you clowns, is it? And I've said it many times, what you do to harm people comes right back at you. Yes yes I know, it's hippie crap that isnt true. Learn for yourself.

Each time you come up with absolute rubbish, and because you lie, distort truth or whatever, your claims are so easy to debunk. Then when your lie is exposed, you try something else. You guys have attacked everything conceivable about me, including tv and carpets in photos, and even they are addressed at http://www.roulettewars.com - when will it stop? When will you idiots get a life of your own? Probably never because you want to win like a pouting child. Trust me on this my friends, you are going to harm yourselves far more than you'll harm me. I sincerely wish you all the best, I really do, but am not so sure you reciprocate.
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Ronjo
March 3, 2009, 4:30am Report to Moderator
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Hi Steve,

Just an update,still no package.But Iwill let you know ASAP when it arrives.

Best regards,
Ronjo.
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Steve
March 3, 2009, 10:55pm Report to Moderator

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No problem. I've only had problems with customs once, but that was with UK services - notoriously unreliable. It eventually got there though but there's no hurry.
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Steve
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Bago tried to defend himself with relation to the chart. I'll make this quick, and Bago, you only made yourself look stupid again:

1. Bago claims a high point should be 8 pockets, and a low pocket should be 8 pockets. WRONG. You look at HALF of the wheel, which is 18 pockets and 18 pockets (actually one needs to be 19 pockets because there are 37 pockets). Honestly Bago you keep doing it to yourself. The only way it would be an arc other than half the wheel is with completely different settings, but bago has no idea about even the most basic settings and certainly not anything more advanced.

Let's look at the chart again. The green sector is the wheel half with the prediction, and the red area is the wheel half opposite the prediction:



Again this is only with the most basic settings, level wheel, light teflon ball etc etc and Bago says it is easy conditions? Yes he must be extremely experienced. But anyway, so WHY did Bago try and say to look at 8 pockets? Because the data would suit him in that case, and he's a manipulative child. He wants to count only the unfavorable 8 pockets in the center of the red zone, rather than a larger and two times more relevant 18 pocket arc. I'm sorry Bago.. actually no I'm not.

2. Bago says he doesnt show half the video, then he says he showed the full qualification video. Hmm ok, the video has two halves. You admitted only to showing the first half without even realizing it. As I said previously, if anyone wants to see the dvd sent to Ronjo, plus the new video I'll do soon, let me know so you can have a good laugh at Bago, before I publicly released the video eventually. Again though there at least needs to be some element of trust with whoever sees it.

3. Bago completely ignores the other videos which are twice as long, and where the scatter chart is shown on the computer throughout the video. In the video on the site, and the one he's referring to, even though only the basic settings are used, the edge is very clear. Even mark and forester aren't game enough to claim the chart is bad, because if they do they know they'll only discredit themselves. Maybe bago is stupider than first thought. Mark mass emailed people about bago's site like a desperate fool, but of course he wouldn't dare try and analyze the chart because even he knows it shows a clear edge.

Anyway Bago, sorry but it is clear you dont want to quit but anyone that looks into it can see you are either an incompetent clown trying to invalidate truth, or a manipulative child stomping his feet trying to look "right" - reality is it's a bit of both. The only way he can look right is if he hides things like the 100 spins video at http://www.roulettecomputers.com/demomq.wmv and tries to convince people to look at 8 pocket arcs instead of 18 pocket arcs. If the chart looked ideal for him using 5 pocket arcs, he'd say you need to look at 5 pocket arcs instead. He's acting like a trapped wombat in the corner, biting and biting desperately without logic - talk about desperate. If even mark isnt stupid enough to analyze the chart, what does it say about Bago?

By the way Bago, I could have your site suspended without a problem, like what happened with foresters and mark's, on numerous occasions. I just cant be bothered pursuing it, and you only make yourself look stupid in it anyway. Have a good day bago. I'm truly convinced you have mental problems, it is not just your age. You have the same kind of impulsive and wacky personality as mark, but mark still takes the cake as king clown. And please dont call me a fat pig. That really, really, reeaaallly hurts my feelings. I think I'll go cry now. Just please dont stick your finger up at me, or I'll be devastated.
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Steve
March 4, 2009, 3:46pm Report to Moderator

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Hi Ronjo, check your PM with regards to speaking to one of my partners.

He's one of many more you can speak to, but I suggest we start with him and if what he has to say isnt enough, we can arrange calls with many others. Overkill? Yes. You only need to have the computer yourself anyway.
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Ronjo
March 7, 2009, 10:01pm Report to Moderator
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Hi Steve,

UPDATE: I have recieved the computer today,so I will spend the next few days going through the DVD'S and will post as I go along with the testing.

Best Regards,
Ronjo.
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