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Anandram
January 23, 2009, 4:43am Report to Moderator

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Hey Steve,
I read somewhere that you are a "convicted criminal" is there any truth to this claim what so ever? like did you get in trouble for not paying a parking fine or something stupid like that?


Although im sure Steve will respond to you, ill start by saying that people should do some research. Im surprised poit that you have been on this forum for so long, challenged Steve regarding his challenge and have never had any curiosity as to who this steve really is, especially when he claims his system does so much.

I had the above curiosity and done my homework, like anyone should, im sure Steve will point you towards http://www.roulettewars.com (the faq's page) for you to read up on his "crime". Although this does not bear any relevance on his system (in my opinion) and its effectiveness. However one might say that it does to an extent in regards to trust, but personally it doesnt bother me because if you take the time to speak to the guy, he is indeed a very normal person. We've all fcuk'd up, intentionally or not.

Excuse if i sound like i am licking arse here, im not - it just prooves that people really do not do any research.

Not a direct attack on you poit, im just surprised that you didnt look it up before posting your comment thats all.
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January 23, 2009, 9:06am Report to Moderator
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Although im sure Steve will respond to you, ill start by saying that people should do some research. Im surprised poit that you have been on this forum for so long, challenged Steve regarding his challenge and have never had any curiosity as to who this steve really is, especially when he claims his system does so much.

I had the above curiosity and done my homework, like anyone should, im sure Steve will point you towards http://www.roulettewars.com (the faq's page) for you to read up on his "crime". Although this does not bear any relevance on his system (in my opinion) and its effectiveness. However one might say that it does to an extent in regards to trust, but personally it doesnt bother me because if you take the time to speak to the guy, he is indeed a very normal person. We've all fcuk'd up, intentionally or not.

Excuse if i sound like i am licking arse here, im not - it just prooves that people really do not do any research.

Not a direct attack on you poit, im just surprised that you didnt look it up before posting your comment thats all.


Well I figure anything I find could just be more crap any way so I best ask the person him self
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Steve
January 27, 2009, 6:30am Report to Moderator

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Poit, yes it's true but you've probably read rubbish about it from people trying to discredit me, or articles that never tell the accurate and whole story. Competitors distort everything to make me appear like I'm charles manson, when the truth is it was one of many promotions from my company - I never had problems with the others. Full details are at http://www.genuinewinner.com/rentech.htm - It has no bearing on anything here. If I wanted to hide it, I wouldnt be using my distinct surname. Almost all my players already know about it, they just dont care - it has been openly discussed on my player forum many times.

Ronjo I forgot about Australia day (public holiday) so everything was closed. Everything is ready to go though and I'll let you know when it's on the way.
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Ronjo
January 27, 2009, 1:30pm Report to Moderator
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Hi Steve,

I am ready whenever you are,I know you are a busy man with a lot on your plate.If you are shipping the goods across it will probably be here in about ten days,unless it is priority mail, it will be a couple of days.

Regards,
Ronjo.
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Steve
January 28, 2009, 7:22am Report to Moderator

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Ronjo check your PM. I want to arrange a call between you and one of my profit split partners. I dont want the jurisdiction released though. Yes according to the stooges I dont have such partners, and you'll learn a whole lot of other things from the stooges that just arent true.
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Ronjo
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Hi Steve,

Thanks I have read the PM.

Regards,
Ronjo.
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Steve
January 28, 2009, 3:18pm Report to Moderator

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Scatter chart from one of the dvds:



It's a hit rate of about 1 in 17. This is on the mk7, with the prediction 7-8 seconds before the ball falls. Only average accuracy settings were used. I was using the teflon ball which is lighter. Some of the videos Ronjo will have will be published online, but not all to maintain secrets.
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alarian
January 31, 2009, 12:37am Report to Moderator
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Ok, I've read through almost every post in this thread... Except for the 2 million words ones where you (Steve) waste time on defending against these Mark, Forester and Bago whom I don't have any interest in following up in any way...

I am a bit shocked though since I thought the test was going to be in November when you got your Mk7 Wheel...
The reason I'm shocked is because I thought it would already have been done by now!

Well... I understand the problem with Lanky's health and all... But I regret to say I'm a bit confused here.
Is Ronjo going to come visit you in Australia or not?


I'm developing a dynamic system program for automatic betting on specific online casinos. I've made about $1000 in 3 weeks after losing some $300 in the beginning, when the program was in early stages of development...

It's not 100% solid though since you can't beat a RNG in the long run. It abuses the fact that some of the so called Random Number Generators that are used in some of the modified versions of the Licensed casino software (Playtech, Cryptologic and Chartwell) aren't infact entirely random.

When I get enough cash I am definitely going to get in touch with you, providing Ronjo approves your claims and all...
I love beating the man... Bwin closed my account when I Was going to cash out €900 and refused my withdrawal making up false claims that I had provided false birth date information...
If I could beat the real man in real life, making money from it, that would be even more wonderful.

Rob the robber
Con the conman
Scam the scammer
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Anandram
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Just so everyone knows in Steves absence. The above post i am 80% sure is either Mark Howe or Tony Bago (ex french player who didnt comprehend the system)
Below is quoted from Steve's roulette wars site.

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The bottom line is he had an extremely poor understanding of both my computer and system. His understandings were in fact so poor, that I insisted to speak with him via phone to help him. However, he refused my call claiming he didn't speak english well enough


This MammoL character's bad english to me suggests he is Tony Bago.Ignore this idiot.
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Kelly
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Its pretty  easy to see who it is, and its not Mark.  Apart from that, the system that circulates is far from being the best way to track the fingerprint of a dealer/wheel/ball ensemble.  Its nicely written but the basis is not maximized, worst case scenario is that you end up betting between two moving maximums.
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Kelly
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The weakness in the system is contrary what many thinks that the definition of the peaks is based on larger samples rather than smaller. When its based on larger samples, there will also be higher degree of new physical changes embedded.

Finding 1 half with a higher probability rather than the other half is what we all at some point has tryed to find. So that part is not new. Using 11 numbers as sector size rather than 2 - 6  numbers (using vis - a - vis, when there is no vis a vis 1 , 3 or 5 numbers) means that you won`t be able to react quickly to new physical changes but will be stuck with a large sector bet on the wrong side of the wheel based on a large spin sample, which is way more expensive than chasing high probability sectors with smaller betting sectors. A rule of thump in dealer signature, is that every third spin is a chaotic spin where randomness is taking over rather than the monotomity of the wheel/dealer ensemble.

1 Simple improvement would be to implement the rule where 80% of all spins should be not ONLY in 1 wheel half, but also could be in two 1/4 of a wheel directly across from each other, like a X instead of a -
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Anandram
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Now anandram will have to find another excuse in order to explain why people purchasing Stefano's system only lose money.
Oh stop, he will claim Kelly is Mark, Bago or Forester discrediting Stefano once again.

I told you anandram that smart roulette players reckon that Stefano's system is a joke to beat modern wheels, it is very obsolete, that's why people are distributing his ebook for FREE. Stefano's players do not represent concurrence, believe me.

Now please find other excuses, independant players are claiming the same as me, IT SUCKS. Do you understand my poor english?
Yes, i guess, otherwise you would not answer with your pathetic excuses and lies.

ps: already 46 people have downloaded the sh*t, i'm proud of myself, it means Stefano won't receive 46*2,500=115,000$, you will get no commission poor anandram.



I told you before that i dont get any commission from anything. I dont have Steves system. At least this other chap Kelly is presenting some sort of explanation as to why he believes the system is not very effective, you Mr Bago just sound like someone who didnt "get it" in the first place and have relied on third party information to conclude your understanding of his system. Noone can take you seriously Bago because you present your opinion like an immature little baby, which leads people to believe you simply couldnt comprehend Steve's system.

Consider this: When you buy a brand new product from a shop and get home and use it - if you thought the product was brilliant and understood how it worked etc, do you ring up the shop and express your satisfaction - no you dont. If you were displeased in the slightest, do you ring up the shop and express your distain, yes. This is all you are doing.

I am interested in Kelly's interpretation of the system but have no room for crybabies (bago), but figure Steve will correct you because i am not going to pretend i know his system inside out, because i dont. You sound like you know what you are talking about Kelly, and will look forward to Steve's response to you "disapproving" of his system? Kelly - i would also like to know your opinion on how you might explain Steve's online videos/other videos regarding proof where profits are clearly soaring with application of his system? In theory your counter-argument to Steve's system sounds very fancy and correct, but the proof suggest otherwise...?
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Kelly
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I have made plenty spin samples using VB on private wheels where some of them were better than averager and some of them was worse than average and some of them extremely good.


By posting a good spin sample you are more like showing how the system works when it does well, and obviously that is what you want when you wanna present something. There would be no point in publishing a bad streak because people would say, hey i can do that in a random game.

Some call it manipulation, but its not quite fair and not a discussion i wanna be a part of,  because if one finds a wheel with that environment, it can actually be played successfully. Critics will argue that the conditions are too fabricated to match real conditions, which is in some areas correct, but in other older casinos you might actually stumble over such conditions.

I hope you understand that i won`t take any side of either Steve nor Forester/Bago  nor Mark. A critical reply of Steve can easyli be taken wrong by Steve and used for reference to one of the others. All participants has in my opinion some weak points and personally i play something entirely different that has a basis in Scott but also an element of Caleb Johnson. I don`t think anyone is playing quite like that and that is not a critic of either Scott or Caleb, it just shows that many components can be added up to a personal system. For instance not many uses 2 reference diamonds when they play semitilted wheels and uses the second diamond for pinpointing the drop diamond and you won`t find any instructions on the net for it.  

Please keep me neutral, because i simply don`t have time for scimming the net for new abuses everyday as in Steve/Mark/Forester/Bago style. We should all be in the same boat, but because of business and personal issues, we aint.
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Anandram
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I have made plenty spin samples using VB on private wheels where some of them were better than averager and some of them was worse than average and some of them extremely good.


By posting a good spin sample you are more like showing how the system works when it does well, and obviously that is what you want when you wanna present something. There would be no point in publishing a bad streak because people would say, hey i can do that in a random game.

Some call it manipulation, but its not quite fair and not a discussion i wanna be a part of,  because if one finds a wheel with that environment, it can actually be played successfully. Critics will argue that the conditions are too fabricated to match real conditions, which is in some areas correct, but in other older casinos you might actually stumble over such conditions.

I hope you understand that i won`t take any side of either Steve nor Forester/Bago  nor Mark. A critical reply of Steve can easyli be taken wrong by Steve and used for reference to one of the others. All participants has in my opinion some weak points and personally i play something entirely different that has a basis in Scott but also an element of Caleb Johnson. I don`t think anyone is playing quite like that and that is not a critic of either Scott or Caleb, it just shows that many components can be added up to a personal system. For instance not many uses 2 reference diamonds when they play semitilted wheels and uses the second diamond for pinpointing the drop diamond and you won`t find any instructions on the net for it.  

Please keep me neutral, because i simply don`t have time for scimming the net for new abuses everyday as in Steve/Mark/Forester/Bago style. We should all be in the same boat, but because of business and personal issues, we aint.


Agreed regarding the netural comment.
I still find some slight flaws in what you refer to in regards to "manipulation" though. In a nutshell you say that the videos may just be the "best of the best" in regards to Steve's system effectiveness. However, Steve quite clearly  shows his system which goes through a losing streak and then recovers, so im not sure how your above comment applies?

The comment you made about "posting a sample of how the system does when it does well", isnt this the point of an effecvtive system and indeed the point of "proof of effectivness"? I think the point which should be considered is that the system DOES do well (yes) when applied correctly and in the correct conditions - but this should be a fundamental awareness for players.

Im just confused as to why you believe that he should post a sample of how the system fairs when NOT applied correctly and therefore have a video showing loss in profit.

The point is that people want to see that when applied correctly and in the right conditions, profits can be gained? Which he shows on three different samples.
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Kelly
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Well, that is what he shows. A streak that does well, the minor draw down is not what i consider a bad streak. A bad streak usually feels like you are being skinned alive because everything you do is done correct, but you keep losing.

Im not saying he should post a bad streak, but im saying its hard to post something that won`t be used AGAINST him by the other vendors. Its either too good or too bad, you can always take a stand against him and so can he against them.

My opinions on his systems is based on my own knowledge rather than on Steves knowledge. Steve has given his directions in the script, and i know that it can be done better because his basics has been testet extensively in Europe already in the 90`s.

I have worked a LOT with dealers signature before the Starbursts hit our Casinos. I have spun private wheels with a friend of mine who used to be a dealer, but now works in surveillance and we set up all kind of environments and you can easyly create a winning environment in the living room that you won`t find in a casino.  

Thats why i don`t consider it a some sort of a proof that he posts a video. You can "easyli" lose 100 units even though you know at this point you actually has a 20% edge and that the scatter is simply playing tricks on you.  A significant proof is extremely hard to provide if you want it to be solid and would probably take 3 - 4 days with 500 spins each day and a neutral controller present before it could be considered mathematical sound. If it should also be monitored by camera, well, it will never take place.

I played with a well known team for 3 months a couple of years back, and my profits weren`t considered skill based before they broke throgh the 3 standard deviations benchmark at around 2100 spins if i recall it correct.  
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