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Steve
November 13, 2008, 12:51pm Report to Moderator

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Wally, Solobear may have his own opinions on this but I can tell you the reasons are quite varied. Below are points for consideration:

1. By far the biggest reason a player may not be successful is poor communication with me. Unsuccessful players tend to have poor English skills. For example, Bago refused to speak with me via phoine because he said he didnt speak english well enough. Bago is really thick-headed though and I would have expected someone with poor english skills to at least know not to apply a precise timing device on a skipping DVD. He has enormous misunderstandings of even the most basic features. Out of over 500 players, of course a few are bound to be like him. Either way, anyone who sees the computer either in a demo or by being a player would know how twisted and inaccurate his claims were. When other players tried to correct him on the player only forum, he attacked them too, trying to tell them about their own business. We all think he's a much of a "dickhead" as they come. You most certainly find more nuts in this industry than any other. A few spanish players have also refused to speak with me via the phone for the same reasons as bago.

I shouldnt need to chase up players to support them - it should be the other way around.

2. Differing levels of intelligence. Some people just dont "get it".

3. Some people had unrealistic expectations of it all being so effortless and easy. As my site clearly says, even a winning system is still work - it is not effortless money from the sky.

4. Some players aren't comfortable in real casino conditions. Some don't give any effort to focusing on the better wheels to play, and will just try the first wheel they find.

5. Many players dont have anywhere near the patience or discipline. They are accustomed to red/black, or dozens systems where application can be explained in a few lines of text. Such players tend to have very unrealistic expectations. The methods I teach are not difficult, but players that are accustomed to betting red/black may disagree. To professional players, the techniques are perfectly practical and reasonable.

6. Once I emailed all players asking for updates on their progress. I was shocked to see so many people come forward with questions, and they never bothered to ask me them before. Some people just can't be bothered with it all. The players that actively seek support are the ones that succeed. Ask any legitimate player and they'll verify I work very hard to ensure your success and I sincerely do care about your success.

Wally it is not merely a mater of someone being correct or incorrect. There are many, many variables and reasons why one player may succeed while another fails. But you can be absolutely sure that when someone calls me a "scammer" and that my methods don't work, they sincerely have no idea what they are talking about. Either that or they have something to lose from me being honest.

The bottom line is if you are dedicated and actually seek support as needed, and actually take the time to seek support, I mean proper support like speaking on the phone, you will almost definitely achieve success. You may think if the system works, wouldn't almost EVERYONE be successful. I thought that should be the case from the beginning too, but it didn't turn out that way. But it has nothing to do with the system - it is the player and their use of the tools. Remember all I do is provide the tools (the system), and it is just about as perfect as it's ever going to get. But like any tool, it is only effective with correct application. Some players have attacked me for their own incorrect application of the tools - it's so much easier to blame me than themselves for making mistakes. While all this may not be what you'd want to hear if you are considering being a player, but it is the TRUTH and that's all you'll ever get from me. I pride myself on being 100% honest and believe lying for any reason is like hiding from yourself, and that's not what I do. That's why I get "cranky" when I'm accused of being dishonest. Although the people accusing me of being dishonest are usually competitors because they want to compete. There are a few real players that have accused me of it too. One player, after never even having applied the methods, read rubbish on Mark Howe's web sites and demanded a refund saying he found out I was a fraud. Well, he reported me to the ACCC, and because I trade as a corporation, they have a mandate to investigate false advertising. They did their investigation, I validated my claims, then the player ended up apologizing to me. Bare in mind this was one of my own players. He had exactly what I claim under his nose but was too ignorant to see it. Really ever since I began teaching others the techniques and distributing my computers, I've been attacked like you wouldn't believe from all sorts of people. But the people that know me well know the very simple truth - I am completely honest. Although some of the stuff said no doubt pisses me off, I still have a lot of patience and faith that the truth will EVENTUALLY come out and be widely known. In the end though, anyone can either visit me or do their own thorough research and decide for themself. Speaking of which, Huxley assures me I'll have the new wheel within 2 weeks. Then I'll set dates for another public demonstration. Everyone is invited but I keep demos to no more than 15 people at a time, or it is a lot less personal and the message isnt conveyed as clearly. I may conduct more than one demo depending on demand.
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Steve
November 13, 2008, 3:38pm Report to Moderator

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PS - For those that think Solobear must be me, recorded conversation with him is at http://www.genuinewinner.com/Testimonial7CSUSA.wma - starting from $40 and profiting over $800 with $1 units... it has nothing to do with luck.

Anyway I'll keep everyone informed about the upcoming public demonstration. Anyone can attend and see the truth for themselves. I'll make at least some video and/or audio from the public demo available, but you'll see a hell of a lot more if you actually attend for yourself, rather than base opinions on hearsay as most ignorant people tend to do. Ignorant, or perhaps pessimistic people tend to ignore anything that is positive about me and focus on all the negative rubbish. For clowns like Bago, he claims the positive testimonials are from people that probably work for me or that I paid. It's either that, or Bago was wrong and he actually is a moron - he wouldnt want you to believe that of course. Out of 500+ players, is it realistic to believe everyone knew what they were doing? Many people dont even bother to get support. It is not coincidence that my most successful players have spoken to me at length a good ten or so times - and the players that aren't successful tend to never have spoken to me before, or at the most once or twice. Not at all a coincidence. Many player base their efforts on what they read in the primordials document alone, the basics of basics document - what you pay for is largely in my head, not a document. There are many ways to beat roulette, and why I didnt put them all in a singular document is already explained.

The ACCC already investigated me after one player's complaint, and like I said, after my validations the player himself ended up apologizing to me. If I was concerned about being investigated and having to validate my claims to government authorities, and if I had any doubts about the accuracy of my claims, I wouldn't be trading as a corporation, because corporations are heavily regulated. If I was dishonest, I'd trade as something like a standard business name, just like 99% of system sellers. Anyway enough for now. We'll just see how the next public demos go as it will have broader publicity - again, anyone can attend. If you want to know once and for all the truth, the door is open: apply at http://www.genuinewinner.com/conference.htm
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Wally Gator
November 14, 2008, 5:44am Report to Moderator
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Steve,

I have a few questions for clarification on the audio with solobear.  You or he can answer, doesn't matter.  Questions are based on the following:  He arrives with a $40 BR, gets up over $1400 using $1 chips, loses $600+ then leaves with $800+, right?

1.  Let's say he begins on the downside of this run.  Now he is $-600+ from the beginning (in his case he has to leave the casino because his BR is only $40).  Similar to an hour long video on your website where it loses and then comes back.  Question is, do your strategies provide for when to leave?  Had solobear stayed for 8 or 10 hours as opposed to 2 or 3 hours would he simply have ridden a rollercoaster of ups and downs or would he have consistently increased.  The $600 loss is significant using $1 chips.  Did he increase his bet size once he reached a certain $ of wins?

2.  Was he using only one (1) strategy?

3.  Using your system, do players employ more than one strategy per session?

4.  Is it common for your players to begin with such small BRs?

5.  Do your players stop playing when the dealer is changed?  I ask this because it appears that solobear was not using the system described on your website as a custom variant on that wheel.  I am assuming that if you have the spins required to use a custom variant the dealer has little to do with success.
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Steve
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Solobear did not use any progression at all - he says this in the audio. Ups and downs will always occur - there is no way around it. But the overall trend is up, just like the overall trend is down if you do not overcome the house edge.

Despite the draw-down, $800 profit with $1 units using only flat bets is significant. It is repeatable.

None of the strategies need you to leave at any point. The more you play, the more you earn.

I believe he used a blend of two strategies.

Using more than one strategy is called a custom variant.

Yes I always advise players to start with small bankroll. Many players increase bet size on the casino's money which is fine, provided you have adequate bankroll to do so and overcome the inevitable losing streaks.

Sometimes you pay attention to the dealer, other times they make no difference at all. You learn numerous legitimate methods to beat roulette and each work on different principles. When you combine those various principles, it becomes a custom variant.


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Vincent
November 16, 2008, 5:54am Report to Moderator
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Steve, have you met richard marcus?
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Steve
November 17, 2008, 5:51am Report to Moderator

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No but I believe he knows one of my hybrid roulette computer teams.
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o, rly?
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Steve
November 17, 2008, 9:01am Report to Moderator

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He said in his blog that he knows one of my hybrid teams, and that the hybrid works well etc. I dont know which team he knows but they shouldn't be even disclosing themselves as players.
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Update: the mk7 wheel is in transit and I'll have it within 48hrs. Assuming it is not damaged or anything, some time this week I plan to start organizing the next public demo.

It seems I'm having trouble finding a suitable person for the validations - ie to replace Lanky. I havent heard back from Iwonder regarding testing, and Lanky withdrew due to health issues. There are a few possibilities for replacements though, one of which is someone who's actually visited Mark Howe - he is well known on Gamblers Glen, but not here or VLS. I might add he believes Mark is mentally ill too. He'll be ready for possible validations around 15th January though, and I plan to conduct another public demo before then.

There are plenty of people who want to attend the public demos, so here's everyone's chance to attend again. Of course you can always come for a private demo, and you'll see more in private demos anyway. Public demos are more for the people that are curious - the more serious players who have intentions of becoming players and their team see me alone. Either way at either type of meeting/demo, you will see everything you need to know how full it it people like Bago, Mark Howe and Forester are.
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coolpaddy
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Hi all,

Some very interesting discussion. Solobear, be fair to the members of what are a free discussion forums, methods posted by them are there to be tested, analysed, discussed and developed before risking hard cash - they are theoretical and the knowledge/information on offer is free. Contrary to what you say some do stand the test of time - very few admittedly. The same statistic holds true for the vast majority of systems offered for sale, very few have stood the test of time. It's good to read some positive, informative contributions on the systems/methods under discussion here, hopefully the original challenge will be resumed soon and we will all be wiser and better informed in the very near future.


                                                                     Best regards



                                                                            
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Steve
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Coolpaddy, if every successful player published information about their experiences, the general population on forums would feel very differently about me. But generally successful players understandably want to keep it to themselves. Plus as per the terms on my site, players arent even permitted to disclose themselves as players. I do allow rare exceptions like Solobear, as he recently gave an audio testimonial. In actual fact there are many members even on VLS forum that dont say a word and just read the rubbish said about me. So who mainly writes about me on forums? People like Mark Howe under fake names. Competitors like Forester. Morons like Bago who didnt have any idea what he was doing. This creates a convincing illusion that just about everyone who's dealt with my is unhappy. There are of course a few players that havent had a good experience with me, but it is by far the minority of players. Out of 500 or so players, of course are few wont have a clue what they purchased. 5 or so people that have said negative things about me then the word spreads, versus HUNDREDS of others who know otherwise but arent going to let the cat out of the bag... not a comparison, but people judge based only what they see - not what reality actually is.

There is unbelievable trash written about me, and many people are taken in by it. According to Mark Howe, at a bbq with my neighbors I got really drunk and told them I built a machine to speak to aliens. According to Mark, a neighbor of mine contacted him about it. Read it for yourself at Get Mark Howe's roulette computer scam for FREE - see top link at roulettecomputers.com. How can I compete with such irrefutable evidence that my computers are not effective?? It doesnt stop with alien communications, no, it goes so far beyond it I cannot fathom how such people function. As for this claim of Mark's, firstly he doesnt know where I live as already addressed in detail in this thread, and secondly I've never even had a bbq with my neighbors where I do live. Ok so we know how much of a joke Mark is, but what about legitimate players like Bago? FORGET ALL THE ALIEN COMMUNICATION EQUIPMENT ABSOLUTE NONSENSE AND CONSIDER WHAT MAKES PEOPLE LIKE BAGO CLAIM I'M A SCAMMER? The most important claim that he made was that my computer gives random predictions with Forester's different diamond test. The idiot used the computer on a skipping dvd player - he sent me the video of his test. Other players corrected him but he attacked them and said they were wrong as if they'd never tested the computer for themselves. Forester latched onto Bago's false claims, and so did Mark - it didnt matter what the truth was. So what's the next logical step for me? I release a video demo of me doing the test. What did Forester day? He claimed I must have manually inputted the prediction. So what I do next is another video where the phone is never moved from the screen. What did Forester say then?.. that I programmed the phone to predict a few numbers. I am not a programmer. No matter what, he will keep making excuses. Besides, this test is done in all public demos to show of full of it forester and bago are, then the same computer is used for the actual demo on real spins. I sent a computer to both lanky and iwonder to do the tests until the keys wear down. I would not have done this if I was not 500% confident they would validate my claims. To confirm the computer is not rigged etc, they can do whatever tests they want, anything at all. Why on Earth would I take a suicidal step to send them a rigged phone?

Everyone needs to keep in mind many people have a lot to lose by me being honest, and them being wrong. Forester would have one red face, everyone would know Bago is as stupid as he is incompetent, and Mark, well Mark can go on making claims about alien communications.

Honestly whoopie-do that my technology works - it is really not rocket science. I am not the first or only person that knows how to beat roulette with legitimate techniques and technology. It's just that complete morons for various reasons unjustly attack me and I want to set the record straight.

So what matters here? The color underwear I wear on Tuesdays? No. If anyone wants to get involved in all that, and all the bickering rubbish going around, you'll get lost in the maze. the truth is beneath a mountain of rubbish. But stick to what really counts, and the truth is extremely simple, and it is very easily established for anyone that has the computer. Thats why i sent a free computer to two people. It is not my fault that lanky had to send it back due to health issues (not related to the computer of course), and iwonder just hasnt had time to test it yet.

Either way, the next public demo is coming up soon. I'll have the new wheel likely tomorrow - a 2008 model mk7 wheel. Anyone, and I mean anyone can attend and find the truth for themselves. They can spin the wheel for themselves, check for magnets or whatever. Of course, as previously, people like forester will say probably only my family attended which is the excuse of an embarrassed man. But like I said, such people will NEVER, NEVER admit they were wrong because they know they are wrong. And regarding people that may not even know they were wrong, these are not the type of people to admit they were wrong and say SORRY. Can you imagine Bago saying "sorry steve, youi were right and I just didnt know what I was doing"? Especially I have attempted to correct foresater many, many time,s but he is not interested in the truth because it does not suit him. He misleads people to increase his own sales, and to boost his ego making everyone think he is king - again like I said, he treats it like a penis measuring contest.

Then there are morons like bago who never even purchased my system. All he got was an introductory document of the system and is telling everyone all I teach is dealer signature. The document explains the very elemental way to use what many call a correlation chart - that's why its called a primordial. Bago didnt even know what it was at the time. Clowns like mark and forester all jumped on the bandwagon, and none of them knew the first thing about my methods. Morons like bago will call anything associated with me a scam - they dont tell you that correlation charts are the basis of forester's computers, mark's computers, and visual ballistics - of course they dont want to say that because it doesn't support their claims that I'm a scammer.

All truth will be revealed eventually, and I have absolutely no doubt of this. Truth is so much more powerful than utter rubbish.

PS - I've been told Bago, Forester and Mark (under fake name as usual) are continuing to attack me on one of the other forums. The three stooges at it again. Stomp your feet and state your cases all you like guys, but sooner or later you are all going to be very embarrassed. Perhaps that's the reason why they all go on and on instead of having a more mature "we will see" attitude - they are scared of what's around the corner.
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coolpaddy
November 19, 2008, 12:09am Report to Moderator

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Hi Steve,

Are your systems/methods good? Outstanding? Average? Usless?

That is the question for me.

You have indeed been subjected to an awful lot of vitriol and malicious comment during the few years I've been attending the forums. The real shame of it is that most if not all the comment is unqualified and inspired a lynch mob mentality which has nothing to do with fair play or justice. I was and remain keenly interested in the challenge and presumed that the more senior members who know and trust Lanky implicitly would join in the spirit of the project with constructive comment and suggestions. That was a mistake, a very big mistake on my part. Quite a few of the one liner comments displayed extreme prejudice and a refusal to even consider the possibility that your systems are bona fide and everything you claim them to be. Bago's input/language at vls forum was disgraceful and should have been censored.

I was impressed by the fact that you took the initiative with the challenge, that was a bold move and indicates confidence and self belief.  Lanky would have told it like it is - we would all have been much wiser in the end.
It is a shame that his health does not allow him to continue with the challenge. He is a man of integriy, courage and compassion. A great choice to test the systems in the first place.

Where is the challenge now? How many members of all the forums really want to know the truth? Does it suit the administration of the other forums better to have you casted as some kind of arch villain selling faulty goods?  Is it compatible for them to have a senior member test and maybe endorse your systems fully on the one hand, and give free rein to a foul mouthed scumbag like Bago to slander, insult and villify you on the other hand?


I am still in the dark regarding your systems, but I have no doubt about the courage and honesty of original challenge.



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Hi Coolpaddy, it really is a relief to see there are "reasonable" people on forums. The reality is the Internet, and certainly gambling forums are full of absolute morons. You said:

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Quite a few of the one liner comments displayed extreme prejudice and a refusal to even consider the possibility that your systems are bona fide and everything you claim them to be.


Absolutely. It is not mere ignorance though. For example, I announce another public demo and this challenge, and the three stooges come out of the gates attacking me - talk about desperate and scared. On GG there was forester, mark (under fake name as usual) and of course Bago. As I have said many times, these three are not interested in the truth because is would make them look stupid. They twist information enormously to suit themselves and proclaim it is the truth.

Consider for a moment what kind of people are we dealing with. There is Bago with the mind of a child, and he is barely out of his teens. He acts like his 8 years old though. In his last post he said to me "HAHAHAHA YOU ARE TOAST STEFANO! SAY HELLO TO YOUR CATS ROLLING ON YOUR FUCKING OLD WHEEL AND YOUR BLACK LABRADOR HAHAHAHA!!!!LOSERRRRR!!!!" I mean really, I don't think he understand how much of an idiot he makes of himself. Then there's forester who I've spoken to once man to man (well I tried) to explain the truth in detail, and I've sent him numerous emails - he acted like a child and completely distorted information. He is a liar and twists information to suit himself. One example is he blantly lies to people telling them I offered to buy his algorithms. He is an absolute bullshit artist. Where did this claim originate? I asked if he would like to partner and attack casinos together - as part of the partnership, we would collaborate and share information. Is that offering to buy his algorithms? Hell no. I told him his algorithms were simplistic, and the only thing good about them is they dealt with clicking errors well - in fact better than my computer at the time because my algorithms were designed for the hybrid and precise timing instrumentation. Another example of Forester twisting information: on roulettesystemreviews.com I had a review of his computer, which was reasonably positive - the review was based not on me having his computer, but the concept of visual ballistics being s valid principle. The review clearly stated at the time I didnt have his computer. Then I was sent his IQE6 for free by an unhappy purchaser, I found what nonsense it was. I didn't care about updating the review because I had better things to do - if I really wanted to harm him I would have published my findings a long time before I had his rubbish. But when forester started making bullshit claims, I updated the review. Forester lies saying I changed the review to negative as if everything I said was a lie. But even Barnett confirmed it all too. Forester wants everyone to think I am lying about his device, but the difference between the two reviews is one was written when I didnt have IQE6, and one was written when I was given it free. Perhaps this is one of the reasons he's so pissed off at me, but pissed off or not, he lets his discontent get in the way of truth, just like the others do.

Did my computer ever give random predictions like Forester claims? Hell no - doing the different diamond test, all predictions were within a 8-12 pocket arc - this isnt bad, and to get any edge at all it needs to be in about an 18 pocket arc. Mark's computer is all over the place. With Forester's IQE6 you cant even see the prediction with enough accuracy. The hybrid doing the test is within 1 pocket arc, without the player even needing to looking at the wheel. But later my standard computer algorithms were modified to be more suitable for manual clicking - the result is all predictions are within a 3 pocket arc. Forester is absolutely full of it. Even after I corrected him about the most basic features of my computer, he completely ignored it although the truth was as plain as day. Why? Because it made him look like an idiot that really had no idea what he was talking about - it was obvious he never even saw my computer and merely passed on misunderstandings from others like Bago. He went on and on during a phone call about players of mine he knew. He refused to give names of course, but I narrowed it down to specific players and I kept asking him repeatedly to ask the players for himself what they thought. My point is he really had no idea that the players he was referring to have every confidence that my computers are what I claim - he of course ignored my request to ask the players for himself. There is one exception though of course - his croatian friend who broke the contracts and got exactly what he should have expected. And then there is of course Mark, the one who claims I live with my parents next to a homeless hostel, oh and then I lived in cheap rented accommodation, on and then I lived at 2 warrior crt lilydale. Bago simply repeated these claims. Even Forester jumped on the bandwagon saying I lived in a cheap area. None of them have the vaguest idea where I live. See http://www.roulettecomputers.com/rent.jpg and contact the real estate agent if you want. what about Bago? No doubt still lives at home with his parents. Bago was selling his own systems before - even Forester will verify this. A big wealthy man with his sound knowledge of roulette? Nope. And Mark? We already know his girlfriend kicked him out of the house and he literally ran off to Norway with the babysitter - this was all confirmed when the police visited his old residence. He claimed to own the house, but never owned even a part of it. It's all at http://www.genuinewinner.com/markhowe.htm - as for warrior crt, so do I pay $450 rent/week to live there, a nice high rent, or am I just the landlord? Take your pick, but either way is in my favor as I'm either wealthy enough to pay such high rent, or wealthy enough to own the property. Truth is I own it, and Mark obtained the address when attempting to deceive my wife and I, but he didnt realize I never release my home address and I use the warrior crt property with a mail redirection service. As for forester and his residence, his address has been published but I really dont care. I honestly dont care about where these people live and it's not even relevant. So why do I even mention this? Because these 3 criticize a property I own and claim it is proof of anything, although the information is wrong anyway - after all it's from mark howe, the most accurate source of information, right? I am extremely tempted to show inside my residence, but it really is none of anyone's business. There are photos released of me and/or my wife, and people like mark say it's all cheap stuff in there. Sure, the Sony Bravia in the background - real cheap stuff. They assume it is my residence though, which it is not. I'm surprised especially Mark doesn't take a photo of a $200 Datsun and claim it is my car - if he did, Forester and Bago would jump on the bandwagon like idiots too, because the claim would suit them - whether or not it's the truth. Anyway, as said previously the 3 stooges will always continue to attack me and they are not interested in the truth. They will always come up with excuses.

PS - I'll have the new wheel today. As for the other wheel and Bago's claims that it is easily beaten, anyone can see the drop zones in the videos online and see they are no stronger than the average wheel in today's casinos. With Bago's extensive experience that he claims to have, he would know this. As for my claims of hit rates of 1 in 15 on starburst wheels, they are accurate. Bago doesnt believe it is possible because he looks only at ball behavior and resulting scatter by assuming the wheel is the same speed, and ball bounce is the same every time. So he doesnt know different wheel speeds make the ball behave differently. Real expert of you Bago. My computer deals with different ball behavior with different wheel speeds. Speaking of which, forester's computer needs manual creation of scatter charts - real covert there. Mark's latest computers are the same - no in-built scatter charts. Their computers are not exactly the best money can buy - that is why I was sent both of their computers for free. My computers have the typical scatter charts plus something much better that enables the player to bet in the optimal sector based on wheel speed and the actual ball behavior at specific speeds. Thats one of the many differences between our technology. Let's not get into other areas like how other computers still need you to look at the wheel - the differences are profound yet these morons have the audacity to claim their rubbish is superior. i can scarcely begin to tell you how many problems their computers have. They all stupidly assume the wheel will strike the rotor where the ball reaches a certain speed. They dont even take into account mild-drop zones. Forester's hardware cannot even hold the data to beat modern wheels. He even admitted recently his computer cant beat the modern wheels. He says it's impossible. Perhaps for his computer, not for mine. Given the simplicity of his algorithms it's really not surprising. He and his misled followers on his forum really have a lot to learn - even my system (no electronics) can perform better on many wheels that his computer and I intend to prove this. As for mark's computer, it really is something that can be written in a matter of hours - it's not just poor like forester's, it is an absolute scam. Everyone that attend the next public demo will see this first-hand.
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Hi Steve,
Check your PM box over at VLS.
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Hi Ronjo, thanks and I'll respond in a few minutes via email.
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