Hi All,

I have been testing a system with my others for  quite a while now and it looks really good so I need 2 things from you members.


1) One person who can make me a program something like spin and win , jacobs ladder , 3 sectors and the others which have been on this site.

2) Once I have a programmer I will give them the information & data that have shown good profit.

3) This system can generate £100 + a day but more if you want to put the time into it.

4) The system covers 7/9ths of the table

5) For my user name I have blanked this out for security reasons

6) I have also blanked out the  bets as I was betting at the time of the screen shot.


Heres a image of my bank at the moment but this is not all down to this system and I can only withdraw 1k per day so I can never get the ballance down at the momet.

CURRENT BANK





Regards,

Si

Hi Sim,
Cool.......Nice to see you still keep winning..........wish u good luck n all the best :-)

citi

Quoted from 1087

1) One person who can make me a program something like spin and win , jacobs ladder , 3 sectors and the others which have been on this site.

I can probably do it for you. PM me if ur interested.

@simon - that is your real bankroll ? 55.000 ? wow.. good luck man

Nice Bank Roll Simon, LOOOL

That about what I have in my bank account, and you have it in your roulette account, LOL   nice1.


What is it you are looking for exactly?  Someone to make a program to tell you what to bet like spin and win?

If thats the case all you need is a nice spreadsheet.

Regards
Diarmaid   Keep up the good work.

Hi All,

I have someone looking at this program for me now

It will take some time but you will update you all once this system is proven

Regards,

Si

Any update on the system Si?

Hi All,

My new system Is realy realy good I cant beleive the money I am drawing in but I want to test it further and I have now made it easyier for people to understand.

I need someone to do a spin test with other casinos 1st then I will post the results.

Any senor volenters ?

125 spins I made £240 on a flat £5 bets no progression

Regards,

Si

I would be happy to help Simon, send me a message or something if you need help.

Quoted from 1087

Hi All,

My new system Is realy realy good I cant beleive the money I am drawing in but I want to test it further and I have now made it easyier for people to understand.

I need someone to do a spin test with other casinos 1st then I will post the results.

Any senor volenters ?

125 spins I made £240 on a flat £5 bets no progression

Regards,

Si

I too would be happy to help.. pm me :)

I volunteer...........

I volunteer as well. Si I pm'd you

Right Forum,

Give my your spin data figures that you can run I am looking for a large amount mixed or straight sessions.

So the data you will need and the software will be used to run some tests on this system.

I do not have enough data to support this yet.

I also do not have the software to run some tests.

So open to you all with the tech s& data stuff.

I would like to poove 100,00 - 500,00 spins if possiable.

Leave it in your hands let me know in the forum or PM me.

Who ever takes on this task will be sworn not to divolge the system until I am ready ?

Regards,

Si

Count me in, if you want...
Ice

I can write a test system for you and already have 20,000 spins of data

Hello Simon,

Was just wondering are you making loads of this system? When do you think, if you will as its yours, you will be able to share it as this looks really interesting.

Hi Sean43,

Once I am happy it's a solid system after the lagre spin testing.

The advantage for me is:

1)  it's flat stage betting
.
2) No Progression.

3) Easy to understand.

4) Simple.

5) No big bank needed you just increase your stakes when you build up your bank.

Regards,

Si

Quoted from 1087

Hi Sean43,

Once I am happy it's a solid system after the lagre spin testing.

The advantage for me is:

1)  it's flat stage betting
.
2) No Progression.

3) Easy to understand.

4) Simple.

5) No big bank needed you just increase your stakes when you build up your bank.

Regards,

Si

I have stacks of live spins and very good at programing dublinbet to play systems for me automatically i have a few virtual machines i could leave it testing live or via your software what ever u want Si

@Simon - we are all excited.. when you'll tell us about your great system?:)

i want to test ur system.

Hi All,

Waiting for spin testing now

Regards,

Si

Simon we are all wating and praying that the results fo the teasts come out in your favour . Winning with flat bets would be great as most profs.will tell you that the acid test for all betting horses dogs the lot . Keeping fingers legs all x.Simon and every 1 Good Luck .Colin

wow... Simon, impressive. what was your starting original bankroll?  :-)


BobbyBobby

Simon I ended up with a negative amount, I'll email you the 1st 25 spins to see if I'm using it correctly

I too ended up with a negative result. I think im doing it right, maybe not? ill pm u Si

SAM with your 2 cats what are your findings.Colin

Quoted from colin

SAM with your 2 cats what are your findings.Colin

Two cats are better than one

Hi Poit & Vetkop

Your testing is incorrect I have sent you the correct info

50 spins is not enough to test a system guys

Regards,

Si

Quoted from 1087

Hi Poit & Vetkop

Your testing is incorrect I have sent you the correct info

50 spins is not enough to test a system guys

Regards,

Si

ill test it for 5000 spins, ill post results

Si I did test for 5000 but tested the 50 manual so that you can see how I test it

We are all so interested in this system!

Hi Si

I popped you another email with 2 questions.

I changed the automated system as per your email but still in the negative after 5000 spins

What bankroll do you need? If its negative after 5000 is is def a loser?

Sean not totally sure whether i'm playing it correct. It's only around -400 after 5000 spins so might work with progression

I didn't get an e-mail!  

Hemingway:  The trouble with one cat is that it leads to another!

Sam

TwoCatSam@cox.net

When do you reckon we will see it?

Any news on this or is it back to the drawing board?!

I haven't had time to test again and away this weekend.

Hi Si

Thanks for the updated spreadsheet. I changed the automated tester to test exactly like the spreadsheet.

The result was -500 units after 5000 spins on flat bets. This deficit though can easily be overcome by a slight progression according to me.

So can you please just tell us what it is??!!

Hi Sean

Please ask Simon

Thanks

Hi All,

Please bear with us we need to test this fully please.

I dont want to give out rubbish infomation.

I will keep you posted as soon as we have any solid data.

Regards,

Si

Quoted from 1087

Hi All,

Please bear with us we need to test this fully please.

I dont want to give out rubbish infomation.

I will keep you posted as soon as we have any solid data.

Regards,

Si

Si,

I have about 60,000 spins I can test on it for you...just PM me if you are interested.

Si should we test it with a bit a progression? Or are the other guys' flat bet tests going better than mine?

Vetkop, you should try progression and see how it goes. How come you dont just tell us and  we can each test it? please :)

Hi Sean

Simon made us promise not to tell anyone yet and i'm a man of my word.

Hi Vetkop,

Yes I am getting better results on a PROGRESSION but I stop @4th or 5th then my next bet would be the next progression 6th.

It all seems to be going ok but the system messed up the other day I had 11 on the trot so my figures look very good.

Hows your testing going

Regards,

Si

After 5000 spins I ended on -500

Hi Vetkop,

Maybee again it's the wheel I am using Livroulette.com spinning from the last nmber is yours the same ?

If you dont get into a + situation I wont post the system no point.

Regards,

Si

I'm not sure Si, it's Spielbank Wiesbaden

7.9ths of the table is 28 numbers (ex the green eyed monster of course), so it's bound to have a good hit rate.

Si, if it doesn't work out will you post it anyway? Obviously posting a disclaimer as you see fit that testing hasn't been as good as you'd like?
With the caliber of your bank roll, experience and previous systems I doubt anyones going to rubbish you or the system too much if it doesn't work out.


Roules

Ps - still in awe of that screenshot - I know its all relevant but thats SIX figures in my currency!

Hi Si

I tested it with a progression and +2235 after 5000 spins. Proggression went 8 steps, thus 7 losses in a row. Maybe we can devise a better progression.

Cheers

Hi Vetkop,

As I see it we can do one of to things.

1) Set a better progression

2) Dont bet until x amount come up on the trot

Let me know what you think my results are still a + but I set myself £100 a day winnings

Regards,

Si

A pluscoup might work out as well, which might help out if you were just -500 after 5000 spins flat betting. A pluscoup would certainly improve that and make those quick hits very profitable.

CPS would you mind explaining how a plus coup works?

Vetkop – I would be happy to give you an example, but since I don’t know anything about this system you guys are testing, I can’t apply it directly to what you are trying to accomplish, but I will give you the best example I can.

Let’s say that you are flat-betting 12 numbers at 1 unit each. Here is what you would do to apply the pluscoup:

Bankroll = 1,000 units

Spin 1: Loss (988 units)
Spin 2: Loss (976 units)
Spin 3: Loss (964 units)
Spin 4: Win (988 units)

As you can see after this “win”, you are still under your high bankroll, which in this case is your starting bankroll of 1,000 units. To apply the pluscoup, you will need to increase your units bet per number to 2. Continue with the example:

Spin 5: Loss (964 units)
Spin 6: Loss (940 units)
Spin 7: Loss (916 units)
Spin 8: Win (964 units)

Again, after this win, you still are under the 1,000 units set out initially. Now, move up to 3 units per number:

Spin 9: Win (1,036 units)

Okay, at this point, you are now up to a new high bankroll of 1,036 units. You now drop back down to 1 unit per number. This is what you are looking for with future wins. Either you get to 1,036 or higher with your next win. If you don’t get that, move up to 2 units per number. If that doesn’t get you there on a win, move to 3, and so on. Once you get back to 1,036 with a win or higher, then drop back down to 1 unit per number and use that new high as your benchmark.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me.

Thanks CPS.

I will test it on some other systems I'm testing as well

Hello again in March08 Clothdog printed a system for 2dozsits still on site later on another person said he could win well useing something called VLS leftmost cancellation betting system perhaps it might help to use it as a betting plan by the way VLS is just another forum 1 would have to look about to find leftmost perhaps this may be of some help .Keep Her LIT.Colin

How much more testing will this need before you can be sure guys?

Tested with a plus coup today and bombed out ugly for me

Pluscoup can be dangerous for sure. If flat-betting has been working, then little tweaks can be made, such as betting after a Loss, or something of that nature. Maybe the Leftmost Cancellation that colin spoke of would be good too.

Hi All,

I Need someone to write me a program to do this any offers a good reliable program please

Let me know

Thanks

Regards,

Si

BJB007 is usually willing to help out with programs

Hi All,

I Have modified the system and it is winning nearly all the time 1st throw most on a progression 3 times.

This so major I am not sure how to handle it if I post this information it might get back to the casino's so all comments would be greatful.

In 4 hours I made £2500 on a £2 stake

I await your coments.

TO ALL I GAVE THE INFO THE SYSTEM HAS CHANGED QUITE A LOT NOW

Regards,

Si

Simon, this sounds like some really amazing stuff. Could we use it in land Casinos? Is it still a really simple system? What was the highest progression? Could you please shed a little a light on the system??!!

Has Simon done what Einstein couldnt, by the sounds of it you have.

Quoted from 1087

Hi All,

I Have modified the system and it is winning nearly all the time 1st throw most on a progression 3 times.

This so major I am not sure how to handle it if I post this information it might get back to the casino's so all comments would be greatful.

In 4 hours I made £2500 on a £2 stake

I await your coments.

TO ALL I GAVE THE INFO THE SYSTEM HAS CHANGED QUITE A LOT NOW

Regards,

Si

What is the BR needed for this system?

Hi dekoslav1

2K

Other players I am still thinking my options on this system

Regards,

Si

Have you been playing in live casinos?

Quoted from 1087

Hi All,

I Need someone to write me a program to do this any offers a good reliable program please

Let me know

Thanks

Regards,

Si

I can write you the RX code if you need to.

Let me know.

Hi , I would like to know the system to. Maybe Pm people who ask for the system would be good?

Hi All,

This system is still winning and it's now a flat betting system.

I have brought on board 3 members that I trust who will do there own tests then we will up date you all.

And some more good news all you need is a bank of 300 - 500

Regards,

Si

Well done Simon. Looking forward to seeing this.

PS Did u give up on ur original dozens betting i.e 1-2, 2-3, 1-2 etc

Regards

Clint

Hello everyone,

i've been off for quite a long time now and it's nice and it's nice to read good things like this now.

Regards,
Sundowner.

hi guys

I tested 500 spins with the following results. Will definately need to use an easy progression or plus coup I think

1-100     +92
101-200     +21
201-300     -89
301-400     -18
401-500     -54

With a good progression do you think we will be able to see it?

Quoted from sean43

With a good progression do you think we will be able to see it?

Ditto!

is it still looking pretty good?

Simon, i also would like to know like clint asked you on the 11th august what happened about your 1-2, 3-2, 1-2, etc systen on the 12's

Hi Nick,

Still Works Fine Progression Can Get Steep So You Need A Good Bank.

Reviews Are Still Hit And Miss But My Results Seem Ok On Liveroulette.com

PM Me anyone who wants this system if you have a good membership I am Not Going To Post It As Some Are Not Having The Results I Am Having

Regards,

Si

Hi Simon,

  Thanks for your reply i'm interested in the 12's system but dont want to do the 1-3-9-27-81 progression but use the labouchere way going 1-2-3-4-5 and cancel out  the outside numbers on a win having the 1 profit to start obviously takes longer to get a win but if gets big outlays can always split the outstanding chips to be regained plus the one chip profit, surely this is a much safer way to play and suits smaller bank !what do you think ? and what you think of sudtem covering 1-18 with 3 chips and last 12's with 2 chips covering 30 numbers ? Nick

Hi,

This is how I am winning with my systems:

RULES

1)      I Only play on liveroulette

2)     You can play on the live or auto wheel  NOT RGN

3)     You will need a kitty of 2k Mines is 4k

4)     Do not defer from the rules.

5)      The risk is yours but it works for me.

THE SYSTEM

1)      Against the DOZEN:

a)     Play the against the last dozen  that come up but do not bet until the dozen has stopped winning example bellow:

16 RED WINS           -     DON’T BET
20 BLACK WINS     -      DON’T BET
18 RED WINS           -      DON’T BET
2 BLACK WINS       -      BET NEXT ON DOZEN 1 & 3  1 UNIT

If this bets loses then go to stage 2

16 RED WINS           -     DON’T BET
2 BLACK WINS       -     BET NEXT ON DOZEN 1 & 3  3 UNIT
26 BLACK WINS     -      YOU WIN 1 BETTING UNIT


b)     For the progression use a 1 , 3 , 9 , 27 , 81 PROGRESSION CONTINUE UNTIL IT WINS NEVER SEEN IT GO FURTHER THAN 3 LOSSES

c)     On a winner revert back to the start again.

d)     If zero comes up still follow the last DOZEN.

e)     DO NOT BET ON COLUMNS


Good Luck,

Regards,

Si

Simon

Thank you for that!  Naturally, I have a question.

I see the second dozen hit three times before dozen one hit.  Now, how many dozens in a row must hit before the switch.  Two would be the minimum, but three sounds good to me as a minimum.

I've got lots of numbers from Riverbelle live.  I'll take a swipe at it.

Sam

Hi Sam,

Dont know if you are relating to me as Carlo but what you do is not bet until the dozen has stopped winning so lets say the 2nd dozen hits 7 times then the 1st dozen hits then you bet on the 1st and 3rd dozen if this loses with a 2nd dozen again you then wait until another dozen hits lets say the 3rd this time then you bet on 1st and 3rd dozen on a progression.

Progreesions are 1 , 3 , 9 , 27 , 81 etc etc

Stop on a wiinner and restart.

Regards,

Si  ( Alias Carlo )

Simon

I am sorry.  I corrected that.  I am beastly tired from all these ten-hour days at roulette study.

But, Si, what is the minimum a dozen must hit before it switches.  Two hits in a row or three?

Sam

Just had to run this through today's numbers from Riverbelle Live Single-0 wheel.

I waited for at least three dozens to hit in a row and then played.  Here's the poop:

5....this included a zero
1
2
1
1
2
1
2

All but one hit on the first or second spin.  

Surprising how seldom three dozens will hit in a row when you want them to.

Sam

Grabbed a sheet and it was 8.14.8, 137 spins.  Waiting for three dozens in a row, there were nine winners and every last one of them hit on the first spin!

Hi Sam,

You do not place a bet until the winning dozen has ended As example Below:

1 doz hits      -     dont bet
1 doz hits      -     dont bet
1 doz hits      -     dont bet
2 doz hits      -     bet next spin on doz 2 & 3 @ 1 unit if it loses on 1 doz again wait until the 1 doz has ended as above then use the 3 unit progression if that loses wait again then apply the 9 unit progression and so on.

FROM MY DATA DONT PROGRESS MORE THAN THE 4th PROGRESSION TAKE THE LOSS AND COVER THE ZERO ON THE 3RD & 4TH PROGRESSION AND YOU WILL WIN LONG TERM.

I HAVE NOT FINISHED CHECKING ALL THE DATA YET BUT THE RESULTS SHOW AFTER 3000 SPINS THE FOLLOWING HAPPENED:

WON 1ST BET     -     444 TIMES

WON 2ND BET     -     141 TIMES

WIO 3RD BET     -      44 TIMES

WON 4TH BET     -      17 TIMES

WON 5TH BET     -        2 TIMES

WON 6TH BET     -        1 TIMES

NO OTHER PROGRESSIONS FOUND YET

I have done a 3000 spin test and on a £10 stake losses were £4250 and profit was £10870 = £6620 total profit.

WORSE MISS WAS 4 ONCE SO I COVER A 6 PROGRESSION

Regards,

Si

Si

I understand and will test more.

Sa

Hi All,

I HAVE A EXCEL TEST SHEET PM ME WITH  YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS IF YOU WANT IT

Regards,

Si

thanks for the system

but  what is the difference between autowheel [liveroulette]? and rng

If it wins 444 times on first attempt why not bet only for one loss and next bet progression. The wins on other attempts cannot much the win on the first attempt. e.g.
1st   2nd  3rd  bet   $$
X                   wait
X                   wait
X                   wait
       X            bet 2/3D, 1/1/unit
X                   loss, wait for end of 1st D streak
X
              X     bet next 3/2, 2/2 units
       X            won, bet next 2/3D, 2/2 units
       X            won, bet next 2/3D, 1/1 unit  
Carlo

Hi durango,

A Livroulette is the site they have live dealers from 6pm  to 4am then they have a auto magnetic whell no dealer  involved check it out on sky tv channel 866.

Carlo PM I can send you the sheet if you want to check it out not got the time at the moment so your help would be cool.

Mind you 3 losses aint that bad i think I coud suffer that on the returns lol

Regards,

Si

thanks Si
just wondered how the auto magnetic wheel works

Hi durango,

Not sure myself but I get some fair results from it.

Regards,

Si

thanks
i suppose it must be some sort of rng . anybody know? just want to ascertain whether it is fairer than rng

Hi durango

It's not a RGN it's a live automatic wheel I think a magnet pulls the ball up from the last number then rotates the ball and then releases it.

Check it out on sky channel 866

Regards,

Si

Magnet? Magnet in ball, electromagnetic field in slot pockeds induces the ball falling in love with the prepared pocked. I wouldn't trust that one. It is like el. shuffling machines at BJ.
Carlo

Quoted from Carlo

Magnet? Magnet in ball, electromagnetic field in slot pockeds induces the ball falling in love with the prepared pocked. I wouldn't trust that one. It is like el. shuffling machines at BJ.
Carlo

there are literly millions of players playing the same table, how could they possibly cheat and move the ball into a "dead" zone?

Hello everyone,

The auto wheel is actually not magnetic but operated by air - I found a website with details - its actually manufactured in UK.

I'll try to find details & post later.

Chers,

Alf

Here it is

http://www.cammegh.com/slingshot%202.html

Cheers,

Alf

thanks alf
copied this

Slingshot 2 Wheel

The patented Cammegh Slingshot 2 is the most authentic, accurate and reliable automatic roulette wheel available anywhere in the world. The elegant and simplistic design of the Slingshot 2 combines random rotor and ball speed at launch with Cammegh’s unique ARC (Active Rotor Control) system which after ‘no more bets’, imperceptibly changes the rotor to a new random speed.

The ball is launched by being blown out of the pocket by a puff of air, it is then met by a random blast of air from discreet air jets mounted in the ball track. The ‘no more bets’ signal and winning number are recognised securely by three discreet In-Rim laser sensors. During the game cycle the ball remains in view at all times, reassuring players and upholding the integrity of the wheel.

Hi All,



Just another update I have now got 6500 spin data and the results are as follows:


WON 1ST BET     -     1143 TIMES

WON 2ND BET     -    3570 TIMES

WON 3RD BET     -     98 TIMES

WON 4TH BET     -      66 TIMES

WON 5TH BET     -        6 TIMES

WON 6TH BET     -        2 TIMES



NO OTHER PROGRESSIONS FOUND YET AND I AM ONLY BETTING ON THE FIRST FOR PROGRESSION X1 , X3 , X9 , X27 + ZERO



On The 6500 spin test and on a £10 stake losses were £6040 and profit was £16640  =  £10240 total profit.



I AM NOW COVERING ZERO FOR THE 2ND , 3RD & 4TH BETS.



Regards,

Si

Hey Simon

Damn you got there a bankroll ! (nice)  Aren't you affraid they will ban you and keep your money ? That they will tell you that you cheated or some other bullshit excuss.... Do you cashout everyday 1k ?

Anyway i play also dozens, mostly without a progression. I wait for 3,4 or 5 times 1 dozen hit and then play the other 2. Maybe im going to combine your system with mine.

Greets jpklpzkr (joopklepzeiker)

Hi jpklpzkr,

I will just sign up with a alias got loads of family I can use and get them to set me up another bank account or check out the system with another casino.

When you get banned I will address that issue as they are all take the robbing b**stards.

I get sick of the withdrawal times all they do is keep your money.

I n have had issues before with other casinos and if you complain they do nothing I will keep on trying to beat them and it is looking good at the moment.

Regards,

Si

Hi Simon

i myself am not a massive fan of progressions and just wondered if you had tried it maybe with an ocars grind type play or maybe even vls left cancellation money management!

i can see obviously the progressions are working well for you but maybe a thought for those safer players!!!

or maybe im just talking out of my arse.

anyway i think il put kettle on

dj

Hi Simon

i myself am not a massive fan of progressions and just wondered if you had tried it maybe with an ocars grind type play or maybe even vls left cancellation money management!

i can see obviously the progressions are working well for you but maybe a thought for those safer players!!!

or maybe im just talking out of my arse.

anyway i think il put kettle on

dj

Hi djroulette,

Always looking to make any system better so your coments are not in vain but with 8 losses in 6500 spins & a net profit of £10240 why change it until it goes wrong.

I think this is the dogs boll**ks system I have ever come up with.

Cheers I will look into it.

Regards,

Si

oh yeah i agree dont fix it if it aint broke. just wondered how much you were playing as a unit if you dont mind me asking?

dj

Hi djroulette,

£10 a unit max 4 bets in a string


Regards,

Si

Hi All,

Just a update on how I am betting at the momet:

    
                              1st Stage   2nd Stage  3rd Stage   4th Stage
     Dozen Betting        11             35           120            385
     Dozen Profit        10             11             14              7
     Zero Betting         1               3             10             32
     Zero Profit       13              12            14               7


WON 1ST BET     -     1209 TIMES

WON 2ND BET     -      377 TIMES

WON 3RD BET     -      109 TIMES

WON 4TH BET     -      66 TIMES

WON 5TH BET     -        6 TIMES

WON 6TH BET     -        2 TIMES


ANYONE TRYING THIS YET ?

I WOULD BE INTRESTED IN OTHER CASINO WHEELS DATA AND RESULTS PLEASE


Regards,

Si

Si

I am away at vacation.  I will work on it when I return.

Sam

Simon

I've been studying your excel sheet.  Your bets are all over the place.  I can find no rhyme nor reason why you skip over this dozen and bet that one and then do just the opposite later.

Is this right?

Dozen 1
Dozen 2.........now we bet 1 will not repeat by betting 2 and 3.

If that's the case, your sheet does not seem to follow it.

Do you include winners and losers in the mix?

I'll study more while on vacation.

Sam

Hi Sam,

I Have checked my sheet and all seems ok ti the system so just to update you again the system is as follows:

1)     Play the against the last dozen  that come up but do not bet until the last winning dozen has stopped winning example bellow:

16 RED WINS           -     DON’T BET
20 BLACK WINS     -      DON’T BET
18 RED WINS           -      DON’T BET
2 BLACK WINS       -      BET NEXT ON DOZEN 1 & 3     1 UNIT
4 BLACK WINS       -      YOU WIN  1 UNIT

If this bets loses then go to stage 2

WAIT UNTIL DOZEN HAS LOST THEN BET NEXT TIME ON THE 2 LOSING DOZENS ON A X3 PROGRESSION AND SO ON.

THE THEORY IS BASED ON LONG DOZENS WINNING AND THEN BETTING AGAINST TEM.

Regards,

Si

Hello,
Waiting for at least 3 dozens in row seems to take some time. Wouldn't it be better to wait for just two dozens?

Si and bob

Last night I did a long check of the Excel sheet.  First, I think there are couple of human errors that can be overlooked.

Beyond that, what I see you doing it this:

2nd Dozen..........won last time.
1st Dozen.......Now bet against the second dozen.


3rd dozen.......won last time
3rd dozen......wait
1dozen......bet against third dozen.

I went through several hundred of your examples and this is what I found following WINNERS.  I have yet to check what happens after LOSERS.

Looks pretty impressive.

Thanks Si...

Sam

Wouldn't it be better since you are betting 24 numbers (2 dosens) to fight random with random. Every static system WILL lose at some stage, guarenteed.

Lets say you plan on playing for 100 spins, use the excell randomizer tool to first select which 2 dosens you will bet on each spin and then use that with a progression, it would surely have to get better results.

Regards
D

Ok here is a quick 500 spins test just using random selections.

As you can see the worst run was 5 loses in a row and this happened only once, better than any static selections you could possibly come up with.

Regards
D


Spins     dosen     Bet     result
19     M          
13     M     MH     Win
26     H     MH     Win
30     H     LH     Win
16     M     LH     Loss
3     L     LM     Win
16     M     MH     Win
13     M     MH     Win
21     M     LM     Win
21     M     LM     Win
31     H     LH     Win
19     M     LM     Win
12     L     MH     Loss
33     H     LM     Loss
3     L     MH     Loss
11     L     LH     Win
34     H     LH     Win
19     M     LH     Loss
25     H     LH     Win
25     H     MH     Win
4     L     LH     Win
25     H     LM     Loss
27     H     MH     Win
20     M     LH     Loss
7     L     MH     Loss
3     L     LH     Win
21     M     LH     Loss
21     M     MH     Win
33     H     LM     Loss
3     L     MH     Loss
7     L     LH     Win
3     L     LM     Win
24     M     LH     Loss
9     L     LM     Win
24     M     LM     Win
6     L     MH     Loss
35     H     MH     Win
4     L     MH     Loss
30     H     LM     Loss
20     M     MH     Win
34     H     MH     Win
27     H     LH     Win
19     M     MH     Win
36     H     MH     Win
34     H     MH     Win
28     H     LM     Loss
36     H     MH     Win
11     L     MH     Loss
0          MH     Loss
4     L     LM     Win
3     L     LM     Win
14     M     MH     Win
22     M     LH     Loss
9     L     LH     Win
27     H     LH     Win
26     H     LM     Loss
32     H     LH     Win
33     H     MH     Win
19     M     MH     Win
19     M     LH     Loss
7     L     MH     Loss
24     M     LH     Loss
25     H     LH     Win
11     L     LH     Win
13     M     LH     Loss
33     H     MH     Win
30     H     MH     Win
4     L     LM     Win
36     H     LM     Loss
26     H     LM     Loss
32     H     MH     Win
3     L     LM     Win
25     H     LM     Loss
4     L     LH     Win
5     L     LH     Win
3     L     MH     Loss
8     L     LH     Win
23     M     LH     Loss
31     H     LH     Win
5     L     LH     Win
23     M     LH     Loss
33     H     MH     Win
29     H     LM     Loss
16     M     LH     Loss
0          LM     Loss
13     M     LH     Loss
6     L     LH     Win
23     M     MH     Win
9     L     LH     Win
29     H     MH     Win
31     H     MH     Win
18     M     LM     Win
4     L     MH     Loss
18     M     LM     Win
21     M     LH     Loss
6     L     MH     Loss
30     H     LH     Win
7     L     LM     Win
3     L     MH     Loss
36     H     MH     Win
5     L     LH     Win
32     H     LH     Win
27     H     LH     Win
25     H     MH     Win
22     M     MH     Win
15     M     MH     Win
13     M     LM     Win
20     M     LM     Win
33     H     LM     Loss
12     L     LM     Win
1     L     LH     Win
7     L     LH     Win
36     H     LH     Win
25     H     MH     Win
27     H     LH     Win
24     M     MH     Win
16     M     MH     Win
24     M     LM     Win
17     M     LM     Win
12     L     MH     Loss
31     H     LH     Win
6     L     LM     Win
13     M     LM     Win
6     L     MH     Loss
31     H     LM     Loss
28     H     LM     Loss
20     M     MH     Win
5     L     LH     Win
36     H     LM     Loss
6     L     LM     Win
16     M     LH     Loss
28     H     LM     Loss
1     L     LH     Win
18     M     LH     Loss
36     H     LM     Loss
0          LM     Loss
29     H     LM     Loss
7     L     LM     Win
22     M     LM     Win
7     L     MH     Loss
7     L     MH     Loss
35     H     LH     Win
34     H     LH     Win
10     L     LH     Win
32     H     MH     Win
33     H     LH     Win
8     L     MH     Loss
13     M     MH     Win
30     H     LH     Win
1     L     LH     Win
34     H     LM     Loss
4     L     LH     Win
33     H     LH     Win
0          LM     Loss
12     L     LM     Win
33     H     LH     Win
1     L     LH     Win
1     L     MH     Loss
36     H     LH     Win
12     L     LH     Win
32     H     MH     Win
10     L     LM     Win
5     L     LM     Win
14     M     MH     Win
27     H     LM     Loss
14     M     LH     Loss
19     M     LH     Loss
9     L     MH     Loss
30     H     LH     Win
33     H     LH     Win
12     L     LM     Win
24     M     LM     Win
0          MH     Loss
8     L     LH     Win
17     M     MH     Win
24     M     MH     Win
22     M     LH     Loss
10     L     LM     Win
15     M     MH     Win
6     L     LM     Win
15     M     MH     Win
27     H     LM     Loss
14     M     MH     Win
12     L     MH     Loss
4     L     LM     Win
29     H     LM     Loss
21     M     LH     Loss
10     L     LH     Win
1     L     LH     Win
1     L     LM     Win
7     L     LM     Win
33     H     MH     Win
23     M     MH     Win
32     H     LM     Loss
16     M     MH     Win
14     M     MH     Win
27     H     LM     Loss
4     L     LH     Win
33     H     MH     Win
36     H     LM     Loss
21     M     LH     Loss
20     M     LM     Win
14     M     MH     Win
28     H     MH     Win
9     L     MH     Loss
14     M     LH     Loss
24     M     MH     Win
27     H     LH     Win
31     H     LM     Loss
32     H     LH     Win
3     L     LH     Win
20     M     MH     Win
18     M     LM     Win
20     M     MH     Win
9     L     MH     Loss
30     H     MH     Win
0          MH     Loss
5     L     LH     Win
6     L     LH     Win
31     H     LM     Loss
23     M     MH     Win
28     H     LH     Win
18     M     LH     Loss
14     M     LM     Win
21     M     LM     Win
3     L     MH     Loss
29     H     MH     Win
32     H     MH     Win
21     M     MH     Win
34     H     MH     Win
20     M     LM     Win
31     H     LM     Loss
15     M     LH     Loss
32     H     LH     Win
33     H     LM     Loss
25     H     LH     Win
24     M     LH     Loss
4     L     LH     Win
20     M     MH     Win
21     M     LM     Win
18     M     LM     Win
22     M     LM     Win
6     L     LH     Win
36     H     MH     Win
29     H     LM     Loss
12     L     MH     Loss
15     M     LM     Win
9     L     LM     Win
6     L     LH     Win
27     H     LM     Loss
15     M     MH     Win
4     L     LH     Win
2     L     MH     Loss
28     H     MH     Win
0          LH     Loss
36     H     LH     Win
2     L     MH     Loss
21     M     LM     Win
30     H     MH     Win
22     M     LM     Win
11     L     LH     Win
30     H     MH     Win
10     L     LM     Win
34     H     LM     Loss
18     M     LH     Loss
24     M     LM     Win
35     H     LH     Win
0          LH     Loss
8     L     LH     Win
17     M     LM     Win
9     L     MH     Loss
11     L     LM     Win
30     H     LH     Win
32     H     LH     Win
10     L     LM     Win
24     M     MH     Win
10     L     LH     Win
0          LH     Loss
11     L     MH     Loss
28     H     LM     Loss
26     H     LM     Loss
6     L     MH     Loss
7     L     LM     Win
21     M     LH     Loss
34     H     LH     Win
1     L     MH     Loss
25     H     LH     Win
5     L     MH     Loss
27     H     LM     Loss
16     M     LH     Loss
31     H     MH     Win
18     M     LM     Win
23     M     LH     Loss
9     L     MH     Loss
15     M     LH     Loss
29     H     LH     Win
17     M     LH     Loss
26     H     LH     Win
13     M     LM     Win
10     L     LM     Win
25     H     LM     Loss
29     H     LM     Loss
0          LM     Loss
26     H     MH     Win
12     L     LM     Win
8     L     MH     Loss
36     H     LM     Loss
3     L     MH     Loss
22     M     LM     Win
33     H     LH     Win
18     M     MH     Win
10     L     MH     Loss
7     L     LH     Win
21     M     MH     Win
35     H     MH     Win
30     H     LH     Win
19     M     LM     Win
0          LH     Loss
29     H     LM     Loss
14     M     MH     Win
29     H     LH     Win
26     H     LH     Win
0          MH     Loss
22     M     MH     Win
14     M     LM     Win
32     H     MH     Win
6     L     MH     Loss
35     H     MH     Win
34     H     LH     Win
36     H     MH     Win
4     L     LH     Win
33     H     LM     Loss
10     L     MH     Loss
31     H     MH     Win
9     L     LM     Win
5     L     LH     Win
7     L     MH     Loss
6     L     MH     Loss
30     H     MH     Win
30     H     LM     Loss
30     H     MH     Win
28     H     LM     Loss
34     H     LH     Win
16     M     LM     Win
22     M     LH     Loss
10     L     MH     Loss
20     M     LM     Win
36     H     MH     Win
32     H     LM     Loss
19     M     LM     Win
25     H     LH     Win
30     H     LH     Win
19     M     LH     Loss
16     M     MH     Win
27     H     MH     Win
31     H     LH     Win
15     M     LM     Win
7     L     LH     Win
6     L     LH     Win
30     H     LM     Loss
24     M     LH     Loss
32     H     LM     Loss
10     L     LH     Win
10     L     LM     Win
12     L     LH     Win
17     M     LH     Loss
27     H     MH     Win
28     H     MH     Win
7     L     LH     Win
10     L     LM     Win
22     M     MH     Win
24     M     LH     Loss
19     M     LM     Win
8     L     LM     Win
15     M     MH     Win
11     L     MH     Loss
13     M     LH     Loss
14     M     LM     Win
23     M     LH     Loss
28     H     MH     Win
13     M     LH     Loss
28     H     MH     Win
15     M     LH     Loss
19     M     LH     Loss
25     H     MH     Win
0          LM     Loss
36     H     LH     Win
13     M     LM     Win
29     H     LM     Loss
15     M     LH     Loss
16     M     LM     Win
13     M     LM     Win
32     H     MH     Win
4     L     LM     Win
23     M     LM     Win
25     H     LM     Loss
34     H     LH     Win
36     H     LM     Loss
27     H     LH     Win
17     M     LH     Loss
26     H     LM     Loss
12     L     LM     Win
5     L     MH     Loss
34     H     LH     Win
34     H     LH     Win
28     H     LM     Loss
25     H     LH     Win
20     M     LH     Loss
12     L     LM     Win
5     L     LM     Win
0          LH     Loss
6     L     LH     Win
20     M     MH     Win
23     M     LM     Win
21     M     MH     Win
8     L     MH     Loss
19     M     MH     Win
25     H     LH     Win
28     H     MH     Win
27     H     LM     Loss
36     H     LM     Loss
12     L     LM     Win
14     M     MH     Win
11     L     LH     Win
14     M     MH     Win
19     M     LM     Win
10     L     MH     Loss
22     M     LM     Win
17     M     MH     Win
8     L     LM     Win
8     L     MH     Loss
2     L     MH     Loss
7     L     LM     Win
3     L     LM     Win
36     H     LM     Loss
32     H     LM     Loss
28     H     MH     Win
13     M     LH     Loss
33     H     LM     Loss
23     M     MH     Win
6     L     LH     Win
28     H     LM     Loss
0          LH     Loss
29     H     LM     Loss
0          LH     Loss
22     M     MH     Win
32     H     LM     Loss
11     L     LH     Win
0          MH     Loss
31     H     LM     Loss
27     H     MH     Win
34     H     MH     Win
32     H     LM     Loss
4     L     LH     Win
17     M     LM     Win
16     M     LH     Loss
1     L     LM     Win
17     M     LH     Loss
33     H     LM     Loss
12     L     MH     Loss
1     L     LM     Win
6     L     MH     Loss
18     M     LM     Win
31     H     LM     Loss
6     L     LM     Win
29     H     LM     Loss
24     M     MH     Win
15     M     LM     Win
22     M     LM     Win
36     H     LH     Win
31     H     LH     Win
33     H     LM     Loss
29     H     MH     Win
5     L     LH     Win
36     H     LM     Loss
14     M     LH     Loss
21     M     LH     Loss
9     L     LM     Win
14     M     MH     Win
22     M     LM     Win
4     L     LM     Win
36     H     MH     Win
8     L     MH     Loss
8     L     MH     Loss
27     H     LH     Win
23     M     MH     Win
20     M     MH     Win
25     H     LH     Win
20     M     MH     Win

Hi All,

Some of you seem to have this system all wrong so lets start again:

1 red wins 1st dozen - no bet
3 red wins 1st dozen - no bet
9 red wins 1st dozen - no bet
17 black wins 2nd dozen bet next time on 2nd and 3rd dozen x1 progression
8 black wins 1st dozen you lose so wait for the winning 1st dozen to end again
32 red wins 3rd dozen bet next time on 2nd and 3rd dozen x3 progression
20 black wins 2nd dozen you win.

NOW YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE WINNING DOZEN TO END AS IT WAS 2ND DOZEN YOU WILL BET ON THE 1ST AND 3RD WHEN THE 2ND DOZEN STOPS WINNING.

YOU DONT BET EVERY TIME YOU WAIT FOR THE WINNING DOZEN TO END.

Let me know any more questions and if you all understand.

I am now betting on 2 sites @ £5 unit stake so I am winning £10 through the 2 sites the reason is a highr progression and I dont hit the table limits.

progression is x1 , x3 , x9 , x27 , x81 , x243

You could do £1 stakes easy and make money

I am on a x6 progression

Regards,

Si

the key to this system is you le

and after 20 black wins you go back to the beginning and wait for 3 in a row again ?

Hi Simon,
I understand the system. I tested it with only two dozens in row because I find 3 dozens in row don't come in so often. Have tested it a bit on RX and it came up to the 4th progression a few times. Also tried it with 'flatbet' only with 1st and 2nd progression but it didn't seem to work so good if you don't hit the 0's.  Well, it may work but the question is how many steps on the progression can it go up to?  If you limit it to 4th progression if you unlucky you can get to 5 and maybe 6 in a few hundred spins and that make you lose more than win. If you go to 6ht progression what say it can't go up to 7?
A fair show of it would be to test it with 200 000 - 300 000 spins but would have to be programmed on RX. Test it with a couple of thousand spins don't show the whole truth.

Hi durango & bobco,

Sorry  no you wait for the dozen that has come to lose ONCE then you bet next the other 2 dozens if the dozen that you are betting against comes up you wait for it to lose ONLY ONCE then bet on the other two dozens on a progression you only wait ONCE.

You can add the zero in your progression but I dont now because the cost and it dont come up that much but if it got to the 4th , 5th or 6th I might think about it.

IF THE DOZEN YOU ARE BETTING AGAINST COMES UP 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 OR 6 TIMES YOU STILL DONT BET UNTIL THE DOZEN YOU ARE BETTING AGAINT HAS LOST IN THE STRING

Let me know if you ar ok on this maybee I am not explaining it correctly.

Diarmaid WORK OUT YOUR SPIN DATA AS EXPLAINED ABOVE YOUR RESULTS WILL BE DRAMATICALY BETTER.

Regards,

Si

thanks Si
to make it absolutely clear could you add a few more examples

many thanks

Even I can understand this one but some other systems I`ve read on here I would need a maths degree to understand!

Ok Diarmaid's Data,

Spins     dosen     Bet     result
19     M                            START NO BET  19 2ND DOZ WON THIS IS YOUR START STRING BET AGAINST 2ND DOZ

13     M     MH     Win        NO BET DIARMAID BET WRONG ?  13 2ND DOZ WON STRING NO ENDED YET

26     H     MH     Win        BET  NOW  AS 26 3RD DOZEN CAME UP SO STRING HAS ENDED BET DOZ 1 & 3

30     H     LH     Win         3RD DOZEN WON YOU WIN FROM 1 & 3 DOZENS BET X1 PROGRESSION 3RD DOZ IS
                                      NOW THE NEW STRING IS 3RD DOZEN WAIT UNTIL IT ENDS.

16     M     LH     Loss       BET NOW  AS 16 2ND DOZEN CAME UP SO 3RD DOZ STRING HAS ENDED DOZ 1 & 2

3     L     LM     Win          1ST DOZEN WON YOU WIN FROM 1 & 2 DOZENS BET X1 PROGRESSION 1ST DOZ IS
                                      NOW THE NEW STRING IS 3RD DOZEN WAIT UNTIL IT ENDS.

Are we all ok with this now pls pls pls lol

Regards,

Si

Hi All,

Just the info on the system and my logic I and we are trying to bet against a short , medium , long string of dozens then bet agaist the dozens once they have lost.

WE DONT WAIT 2 , 3 , 4 TIMES FOR THE DOZEN TO LOSE ONLY ONCE THEN IF THE DOZEN YOU ARE BETTING ON COMES UP AND YOU LOSE YOU WAIT AGAIN FOR THAT DOZEN TO LOSE AGAIN BEFORE PROGRESSING TO THE NEXT STAGE IE; X1 , X3 , X9 Etc Etc Etc

Regards,

Si

Hi Simon,

Thanks for the information , been testing the system with sucess so far.

@ bobco - if its ok with you and simon would you mind posting code for rx would be interested in testing with previous data .

nireaper.

Eurika
thanks

Hi nireaper,

Fine with me with post.

By the way this is the BEST system I have come up with you wait and see tried it out loads of casinos real money works a treat.

Regards,

Si

yes, thanx simon, this seems really work...

Hi All,

My background used to bet against a dozen that had won for 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 times and lose so I thought why not let the dozen exhaust it's self then bet against it rather than bet why it's in play ?

Roulette is all random number but if you toss a coin it wont come up heads all the time.

This works beleive me.

Regards,

Si

Thanks for all the info/help  Simon will give it a try this week :).

durango........

LOL It's Eureka!  As in Eureka Springs, Arkansas.....where I happen to be at the moment!  

Simon..

I get it.  I looked over you excel sheet.

I'll try it.  

Sam

OK, Probably shouldn't do this, but since I have some time, I'll explain this the way I've seen it on the spreadsheet.

Dozen 1 hits.........

If on the next spin, dozen one hits again, we wait.  We still just have one Dozen 1 working.  Spin again.  If dozen one hits ten times in a row we only have one dozen 1 working.

Next.........

Dozen 1 hits

Dozen 2 hits.........NOW...we bet that it will not revert back to dozen 1, so we bet dozen 2 and 3.

Three possible outcomes........Dozen 2 or 3...win  Dozen 1...lose

We are right back to ...........

Dozen 1...only we are betting 30u on each dozen instead of 10.


So I won't have to write "dozen" every time, just know I'm talking about dozens:



1.........wait
1.........wait
2......bet 2 and 3
3.....win and bet 1 and 3 (won't revert to 2)
3....win...wait
2.....bet for 1 and 2..(won't revert to 3)
3.......loss....wait..
2.....again bet 1 and 2......(wont' revert to 3)
3....loss........wait
1.......bet 1 and 2.....


I have spent a long time looking at the spread sheet and this is the way I have it figured out.  If I'm wrong, Simon can correct me; if I find I'm wrong, I'll edit.

EDIT:  Double checked the spreadsheet and I still think I'm right.  Let me summarize:

The dozen you win on sooner or later becomes the dozen you will eventually bet against.  The dozen you lose on waits for a different dozen to follow it and then the re-bet takes place.

If ol' Si is not fudging on his spins, this thing is a killer!  You wouldn't fudge on us, would you Si??

Sam

Hi Sam,

You got it mate hip hip horray lol.

Fudging never have mate but you lot have spin data check it out against your own and all send me a £10 note for macking you lot loads of money lol

Keep me updated all.

Any more info let me know.

Regards,

Si

Si what progression do you use?

1, 3, 9, 27, 81, 243
Ice

Simon,
yesterday I was a little scared since I seen too much 1&3 dozen ping-pong (5 I guess)...
Ice

random choice                           Doz       Col                      order of play:    doz
                                                                                                              col
1-10-19-28 =1          1              1 - 2      1 - 2                                            doz
                                                                                                              col
2-11-20-29=2            2              2 - 3      2 - 3                                           etc

3-12-21-30=3             3              1 - 3      1 - 3                    good number choice for doz eg:
                                                                                        
4-13-22-31=4              4              1 - 2      1 - 2                    1     = streets 1-10-19-28

5-14-23-32=5              5              2 - 3       2 - 3                   2     = streets 2-11-20-29

6-15-24-33=6              6               1 - 3       1 - 3                    progression: usual for doz, 1,1,2,3,4,6...etc

7-16-25-34=7              7               1 - 2        1 - 2                   I think this approach suits RGN

8-17-26-35-=8             8                2 - 3        2 - 3

9-18-27-36=9               9                1 - 3        1 - 3

Luis,
I'm a little bit confused...
Ice

bet365 acutal numbers this am: 18  8 18 33 33 2 32 23 7 19 9 12 27

18 = 9  bet 1 unit on doz 1 & 3 ( win with ist doz)
8 = 8   bet 1 unit on col  2 & 3 ( win with 3rd col)
18  = 8 bet 1 unit 0n doz 2 & 3 ( win with 3rd Col)                    <   2 DOZ SYSTEM
33 = 6  bet 1 unit on col 1 & 3  (win with 3rd col)
33 = 6  bet 1 unit on doz 1& 3  (win with 1st doz)
2   = 2   bet 1 unit on col 2 & 3 (win with 2nd col

very rarely as good results as this

bet365 actual numbers this am: 18 8 18 33 33 2 32 23 7 19 9  12 27

19 = 9  decide to bet 9's streets ie 7 8 9, 16 17 18, 25 26 27, 34 35 36

bet 1 unit on streets 7, 16, 25, 34

results : 18 win, 8 loss, 18 win, 33 loss, 33 loss, 2 loss, 32 loss, 23 loss, 7 loss, 19 loss, 9 win, 12 loss, 27 win                  <  1  DOZ SELCTION

usual doz progression: 1 1 2 3 4 6 etc

RNG numbers such as 1 10 19 28 = 1 tend to repeat in batchess eg:  9= 18, 18, 9, 27   6 = 33, 33,   5 = 23,32

Hi Vetkop,

1 , 3 , 9 , 27 , 81 , 243


Hi iceberg1912,

All I can suggesdt is that you check out this system with your own spin data to proove it 1st I have now tried it at 7 casinos all with the same results live dealers NOT RGN.



Hi Luis,

I DONT UNDERSTAND YOUR POST IT'S NOTHING LIKE THE SYSTEM CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN ?


Regards,

Si

1)random way to pick 2 doz or 2 col without waiting for three of same doz to apppear; and

2)good selection of 1 doz using RNG

As I understand it "New sysytem looks pretty good" is about picking the best dozs to bet. Yes? No?

I have presented a random selection method following on frm Simon's idea using excel RNG.

sorry for typo in <1 DOZ SELECTION    should be 18 = 9  not 19 = 9!

Hi Luis,

Thanks for your coments but can we please keep this thread to  this system and maybee you can create a thread on your ideas.

System still as I made up and explained better by sam as follows:



OK I'll explain this the way I've seen it on the spreadsheet.

Dozen 1 hits.........

If on the next spin, dozen one hits again, we wait.  We still just have one Dozen 1 working.  Spin again.  If dozen one hits ten times in a row we only have one dozen 1 working.

Next.........

Dozen 1 hits

Dozen 2 hits.........NOW...we bet that it will not revert back to dozen 1, so we bet dozen 2 and 3.

Three possible outcomes........Dozen 2 or 3...win  Dozen 1...lose

We are right back to ...........

Dozen 1...only we are betting 30u on each dozen instead of 10.


So I won't have to write "dozen" every time, just know I'm talking about dozens:



1.........wait
1.........wait
2......bet 2 and 3
3.....win and bet 1 and 3 (won't revert to 2)
3....win...wait
2.....bet for 1 and 2..(won't revert to 3)
3.......loss....wait..
2.....again bet 1 and 2......(wont' revert to 3)
3....loss........wait
1.......bet 1 and 2.....


PROGRESSION AS DISCUSSED BEFORE 1 , 3, 9 , 27 , 81 , 243 I don't include zero unless the progression goes high.

Regards,

Si

Simon,  When i said u had  suggested using excel RNG to pick the dozs to bet I should have said Diarmaid! My apologies. I think we all know your method for selecting. I am presenting an alternative method with less waiting!

i got these  dozens on live roulette this morning
1 wait
1 wait
1 wait
3 next bet is 2and 3
1 lost .so wait   [ist prog]
2 next bet 2 and 3
1 lost    so wait        [ 2nd prog]
3  next bet 2 and 3
1 lost [3rd prog] so wait
3 next bet 2 and 3
0 lost [4th prog] so wait
1 wait
1  wait
2  next bet 2 and 3
2 won [5th prog] and wait  [2nd doz now becomes the one to bet against]
1  next bet 1and 3
2  lost and wait[  ist prog]
2 wait
3 next bet 1 and 3
2 lost so wait [2nd prog]
3 wait next bet 1 and 3
1 won   and wait [3rd prog]  [1st doz now becomes the on to bet against]
3 next bet 3 and2
0 loss [ ist prog] and wait
1 wait
1 wait
1 wait
1 wait
1 wait
1 wait
2 next bet 3 1nd 2
3 won [ 2nd prog]

probably made a few mistakes ???

For me there's one error.
After the first 0 you have to bet 1 e 3 immediately.
Simon?

sorry, 1&2 immediately...
Ice

@nireaper If I could do the RX code I would do it for this system but it's beyond my knowledge. We can hope someone who has the knowledge reading it could code it. Very interesting to test it with thousands of spins.

I think it's good to include the 0, maybe not in the first spin but then on the others. So the most we have seen is 6 steps?  

Dublin bet 15.09 today table 2 monika spinning
19 bet 1 unit doz 1/2 win with no   14
14       "        col  2/3 loss    "         1
  1       3        doz 1/2 loss    "        0
  0      no bet
25 bet  9 unit  col 1/2 win with no     4
  4 bet    1       doz 1/2 loss           31
31 bet    3       col 1/2 loss              9
  9 bet    9       doz 1/3 win            29
29 bet    1        col 2/3 loss            25
25 bet    3        doz 1/2 win              3
  3 bet    1        col  1/3 loss           29
29 bet     3        doz 2/3 loss            3
  3 bet     9        col  1/3 win             4
  4 bet     1        doz 1/2 win            18
18 bet    1         col  1/3 loss            2
   2 bet    3         doz 2/3 win            27
  27 bet    1        col  1/3 win              1
   1  bet    1        doz  1/2 loss           28
  28 bet    3         col   1/2 win             5
    5 bet    1         doz 2/3 win             14
   14 bet   1          col 1/2 loss             21
   21 bet   3          doz 1/3 win             35
   35 bet   1          col 2/3 win               29
  29  bet   1          doz 2/3 win              14
   14 bet   1           col  2/3 win              12
   12 bet   1           doz 1/3 win              26
   26 bet   1           col  2/3  loss            16
   16 bet   3           doz 1/2  win             17
   17 bet   1           col  1/2  win              13
   13 bet   1           doz  2/3 win              17
   17 bet   1           col 2/3 win                 36
   36 bet   1           doz  1/3 win                7
    7  bet   1           col  1/2  win               23
   23 bet   1           doz  2/3  win              16
   16 bet   1           col  1/2  win               13
   13 bet   1           doz  1/2  win                8d
35 spins played(miss after zero) - monika all spins - 37 minutes  - £115 profit


Units placed: 1's  25
                   3's    7
                   9's    3
  
My comments: rocky start with three 9 units at Dublin Bet! Monika came good second half, dont you think.

How would Simon's system compare?
how many spins would he have played?
What would his profit be?

Good luck!

Luis

hi luis
please put your system on another thread . it looks good so deserves a thread of its own and we wont get confused

Simon, can you clarify one thing please, after you win with a dozen, don't you wait at least one spin to see if it will repeat, or do you straight away bet against it if it didnt come up the turn before?  For example, using Diarmid's example from above,

1.........wait
1.........wait
2......bet 2 and 3
3.....win and bet 1 and 3 (won't revert to 2)

3....win...wait

after the 3rd dozen wins the first time, he bets straight away on dozens 1 and 3; i thought that following a win we wait at least one spin to see if the winning dozen will repeat itself, so should it not be as follows below:?

1.........wait
1.........wait
2......bet 2 and 3
3.....win...wait to see if 3rd dozen will repeat
3.......wait until 3rd dozen stops repeating then bet against

On an unrelated note, I was wondering, how do you deal with a zero when it comes up?

For example, if we have

36
34
12  bet dozens 1 and 2
0   loss, what dozen does zero count as now?  normally the way i have been testing is to not put any chips on zero until the x3 stage, not sure how you play

also, what kind of progression are you using currently?  you said you werent going beyond x81 but some posts it looks like you are going to the 6th stage?


THanks again for sharing the system, i will be testing it more when i have a chance.  

Hi WhiteKnight,

No you use the winning dozen as your next one to follow then bet after it has lost.

On the zero issue I wait for a dozen before I bet but I have tried it both ways about equal so it's up to you on your own spin and casino data

Regards,

Si

Hi All,

Who's up for doing some good pro software for this like jobsaboba as your spin and win looks good ?

Let me know please.

Regards,

Si

Roulette787 can Rxcode
Ice

Hi All,

How are your results looking like on your casino sites ?

Any update on someone to do the software yet ?

Regards,

Si

Awww, no one made a lil prog for this excellent system???? shucks i would program it my self sep the last thing i programmed was "hello world" on a BBC micro in 1983! shucks i feel old now (",")

10 print "hello world"
20 goto 10

Hey i still got it!!!!

top:
if holy grail =>true
then goto buy island
else goto top

Simon

I am testing this thing, but what do we do with the zeros?  

1.  What to do when zero causes a loss.
2.  What to do when zero does not cause a loss.

Sam

Hi Sma ,

I have tried both options and both are equal include and not include will let you decide on your tests then put are heads together for the best option.

I must admit i am not including it so if 3   3rd dozens cam up then a zero i would not bet against the 3rd dozen yet

Hope this helps

Regards,

Si

Si

I will treat the zero as a non-event.  I mean, if it comes while I'm not betting, I just view it as not even being there.  If it happens while I'm betting and I lose to zero, I just re-bet as if nothing had happened but raise the bet anyway.

Dozen1
Dozen2
Now I'm betting dozen two and three.
ZERO
I'm still betting dozen two and three.  It's as if zero never came, but I still raise the bet.

Sam

Correct me if I'm wrong but from reading
these five pages of posts it seems that
what Simon has been trying to say is
to bet on the two dozens which didn't
hit on the last spin.

Is it really that simple?

bj

Almost.......and I think what you said would work just as well.  Imagine this:

1st
2nd.........now you bet the first will not hit by betting 2 and 3
3rd...you won.  Why not now bet that the second will not hit and bet 1 and 3?  Seems good to me.  But Simon uses his winner..the 3rd..as the new target and if the next dozen is different, then the 3rd is the one to bet against.

1st
2nd
3rd
2nd...now bet against the 3rd.

Sam

Quoted from bjb007

Correct me if I'm wrong but from reading
these five pages of posts it seems that
what Simon has been trying to say is
to bet on the two dozens which didn't
hit on the last spin.

Nuts!!!! LOL
this is how I understood it as well!

Dozen 1 (NO BET)
Dozen 1 (NO BET)
Dozen 2 (Bet on 1&3)
Dozen 3 (WIN!) (Now bet dozens 1&2)

Is that now how its supposed to be? Seems to be working OK for me! Still using play chips though!

keith4444

Dozen 1 (NO BET)
Dozen 1 (NO BET)
Dozen 2 (Bet on 1&3)
Dozen 3 (WIN!) (Now bet dozens 1&2)

Is this the same as

Dozen 1 hits - Bet 2 & 3
Dozen 2 hits - Bet 1 & 3
Dozen 3 hits - Bet 1 & 2

which is how I understand it.
Unless it's changed again....

Perhaps the idea is to wait for a
dozen to hit twice in succession....

Or is it three times?

Perhaps it's a mixture of them all.

Don't think anyone knows but Simon.

I think the idea is to track a dozen until it stops hitting (and therefore switches to a new one) the bet against it.
Sam and Si seem to bet the NEW dozen and another one? How do you decide which dozen to bet with the one thats last hit?
I thought it was easier to just bet the 2 dozens which havent hit?

wow.. 5 pages.. but still don't understand..  

silly me..




BobbyBobby

Hi All,

Come on read the posts pls pretty pls.

Dozen 1 (NO BET)
Dozen 1 (NO BET)
Dozen 2 (Bet on 2&3)
Dozen 3 (WIN!) (Now wait until dozen 3 has stopped winning )

Regards,

Si

So...

Wait for two consecutive hits on one dozen
followed by one hit on a different dozen then
bet on last hit and unhit in the series of three?

Well, I think I've got it.

1,1,2 - bet on 2 and 3
1,1,3 - bet on 3 and 2
2,2,1 - bet on 1 and 3
2,2,3 - bet on 3 and 1
3,3,2 - bet on 2 and 1
3,3,1 - bet on 1 and 2

Seems to be only six permutations.

Could have said that five pages back.

As I'm  playing it...........

A dozen hits..........we wait.....is the next dozen the same?  Yes? Wait!  Is the next dozen the same?  yes?  wait...is the next dozen different?  Now bet against the dozen that first hit.


1
1
1
2.........bet 1 won't hit again

BUT

You do not need two or three in a row...........

1
2......bet against 1 hitting again
3.......winner and new target..
2.....bet 3 won't hit again.
1......winner and new target
1...wait
2.......bet 1 won't hit again

I spent hours going over his excel sheet and this is how it shakes out.

It's working pretty darn well.

Sam

So...

Method 1 - Wait for three hits on a dozen and one hit
                 on a different dozen then bet on the 3-hitter.

Method 2 - 1.......No bet.
                 2......bet against 1 hitting again - bet 2 and 3.
                 3.......winner and new target. - If 3 hits bet on 2 (2 & 1?), if 2 hits bet on 3 (3 & 1?), if 1 hits?

OK got it now! LOL

keith4444...

Are you sure?

Like to give me your take on this great enigma?

Simon, has it gone beyond six steps in progression? I tested it and played it for a while and most it went to the 4th step. But the questions is how often it goes beyond 4 steps and when does it go beyond 6 steps in progression? Martingale is always scary.

Hi All,

IOnce again lets try a bit easy terms now,

doz 1 hits  ( THIS IS YOUR DOZ TO BET AGAINST AFTER IT HAS LOST )

doz 1 hits  ( NO BET AS SAME DOZ WON )

doz 2 hits  ( NOW BET DOZ 2 & 3 )

doz 1 hits  ( BET LOST SO WAIT FOR COZ 1 TO LOSE AGAIN )

doz 3 hits ( NOW BET DOZ 2 & 3 ON YOUR PROGRESSION)

doz 3 wins ( YOU WIN NEW DOZ TO BET AGAINST IS NOW DOZ 3 WHEN IT HAS LOST )

doz 3 wins ( NO BET AS LAST DOZ 3 HAS NOT LOST YET )

doz 2 wins ( NOW BET DOZ 1 & 3 ON YOUR PROGRESSION)


etc , etc , etc ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE DOZEN TO END IT'S WINNING SEQUENCE AS ABOVE


Regards,

Si

Clear as mud.

Need a description of the rules not one
specific example.

Hi All,

RULES ARE AS FOLLOWS:

1ST VISIT TO THE TABLE USE THE 1ST SPUN WINNING DOZEN AS THE ON YOU ARE GOING TO BET AGAINST

( EXAMPLE 1ST DOZ NUMBER 1 WINS )


YOU NOW WAIT UNTIL THIS DOZEN STOPS WINNING ( DOZEN 1 )


( EXAMPLE 1ST DOZ NUMBER 3 WINS )

NO BET AS DOZEN 1 HAS WON AGAIN


( EXAMPLE 1ST DOZ NUMBER 9 WINS )

NO BET AS DOZEN 1 HAS WON AGAIN


( EXAMPLE 3RD DOZ NUMBER 29 WINS )

BET NEXT TIME 1 UNIT ON DOZEN 2 & 3



( EXAMPLE 1ST DOZ NUMBER 6 WINS )

NO BET AS THIS IS THE DOZEN WE ARE BETTING AGAINST


( EXAMPLE 2ND DOZ NUMBER 20 WINS )

BET NEXT TIME 3 UNIT ON DOZEN 2 & 3


( EXAMPLE 3RD DOZ NUMBER 28 WINS )

YOU WIN 1 UNIT NOW YOU ARE TRACKING THE 3RD DOZEN TO BET AGAINST IT


( EXAMPLE 3RD DOZ NUMBER 27 WINS )

NO BET AS THIS IS THE DOZEN WE ARE BETTING AGAINST


( EXAMPLE 3RD DOZ NUMBER 25 WINS )

NO BET AS THIS IS THE DOZEN WE ARE BETTING AGAINST


( EXAMPLE 1ST DOZ NUMBER 7 WINS )

BET NEXT TIME 1 UNIT ON DOZEN 1 & 2


ETC , ETC , ETC,


CARRY ON WAITING FOR THE DOZEN YOU ARE BETTING AGAINST TO LOSE ONCE BEFORE YOU BET


IF THE DOZEN YOU ARE BETTING AGAINST WINS DO NOT BET UNTIL THAT DOZEN HAS LOST.


ALL YOU ARE DOING HERE IS WAITING FOR THE WINNING DOZEN TO LOSE THEN BET AGAINST IT.

ONCE YOUR BET HAS WON LHE LAST WINNING DOZEN THEN BECOMES THE DOZEN TO BET AGAINST AFTER IS HAS LOST ONE TIMES.

Help me out here Sam can you do any better ?

Regards,

Si

Simon

You have made if perfectly clear in the two previous posts.  I posted the exact same thing.

Sam

Hi Sam,

Must be you and me against the whole forum then mate.

All can you please tell me and sam what you do not understand please ?

Sam what site you been checking out the system on ?

Regards,

Si

Simon,

I understand your sytem perfectly. You have been very clear and I'm not sure how much more clear you can be.

I do have a question about progressions. Regular progression would be 1,9,27,81,243,729.

What would be your 6 step progression while betting on "zero"?

Keep going Simon.... -)

No good deed goes unpunished....

I think explaining your system a dozen times is more than enough....

Hi Ronin,

Talking to Sam we think miss the zero and wait for the dozen to clear / lose.


Hi xman1970,

Thanks for your feedback


Another addition to this system and others I tend to come up with is we can always not bet until we have two losses from the system so this would originally be your third progression as most systems I try to give myself a larger process window to eliminate a failure and if I see 6 miss i would work to 8.


Regards,

Si

Simon

I am testing this system on the spins from the Microgaming live single 0 wheel.  I have them posted at VLS under testing named THE TWOCAT 5,000.  Do not use these spins as I am.  We need others to test other wheels.

In three days it's up over $600 using the $10 like you did in the spreadsheet.

I know it's a progression and a Martingale at that, but the darn thing is looking good after 600 spins; about a dollar a spin.

You can check 200 numbers in five minutes if you concentrate.

Thanks Simon.....

You and me against the world!!  LOL

Sam

Just ran 200 numbers from today.  Profit $560 using $10 chips.  I know this is crazy, but...........

Sam

Hi All,

Especially, Simon the author - CPS10, and Bobby. I admire your honesty Sam - it looked like you were dismissing this play out of hand in earlier replies, I noted your reference to Mr Chips - the wisdom here in the Emerald Isle is that "those who can, do. Those who can't, teach!"  
The progression and random nature of the play makes it exciting and not for the faint hearted. I hope all those playing for real cash continue to prosper.



                                                                                                           Best regards

So it could be betting against the spin
before last as long as it's not the
same dozen as the last spin?

So many interpretations - and it's
hard to believe that anyone could be
so bereft of the simple skill of
explaining it.  After all there are
only 37 or 38 numbers in roulette.

The rest of the world has many more
and yet very complicated processes
can be explained.

Think I understand why it takes Bill
Gates so long to get Windows working
properly.  He just can't explain what
he wants.

So it could be betting agains the spin
before last as long as it's not the
same dozen as the last spin?


THAT'S IT!!

Bet the penultimate dozen unless it is the same as the last dozen!!

Cool

You're speaking of the dice in the fruit jar!  LOL  You might be surprised how much fun that game is.  I didn't mean to dismiss this out of hand; I didn't understand it until I looked at the spread sheet Si sent me.

I have to assume no one is lying; all are telling the truth.  When I see the results Si has in that sheet, I had to take a different approach.

It will be interesting to see where it lands!

Thanks for your compliment!

Samster

Don't mean to intrude on this thread and I'll remove in a few days, but it's nice to read Coolpaddy again.  RP

Now I've got that let's press on.

Graph virtual bets and wait until it takes a dive.
Then start betting.

Just like trading shares - buy (in) low and sell (quit) high.

.........seen the market lately?

talk about gambling.....I'm sick!

It's down! Time to buy!

Sam - guess there's no way around the
steep progression with dozens bets.

I'll knock out a prog for testing.
Stand by.

Can't believe this....

"Bet against the penultimate result
when it's not the same as the untimate result".

Fourteen words vs. ...pages and pages.

Ah! the power of words.

bj

It is truly a steep progression and I don't like progressions at all.  There was a time I didn't like asparagus, but I found this restaurant......

I'd love to see the program.

Sam

Just have to add something to limit
betting to better chances... or bet
on 24 numbers, streets, lines?

Quoted Text

Just have to add something to limit
betting to better chances... or bet
on 24 numbers, streets, lines?

Yikes! i thought this was a "simple" dozens system he he!

Has it gone beyond 6th level progression and how many times??

Thanks!

OK  The progression is four.  You stop at a loss of 540u.

That's what I'm seeing on the Excel sheet.

Have I missed something?

Here is the system as I understand it:

Bet against the penultimate dozen if it is different from the last dozen to come.  If you lose, wait until the dozen you bet on is followed by a different dozen.  Do NOT bet on different dozens.  Stay on the same horse.  If you lose four bets, quit!

Dozen1
Dozen2......bet 2 and 3
Dozen1
Dozen1
Dozen1
Dozen3.......here your original dozen (1) is followed by a different dozen.  Bet again for the 2 and 3 only triple the bet.  1 3 9 27...or 10 30 90 270.

Sam

Hi bobco,

No not in my experaince but remember the data is from the casino I play and I am not saying it will be the same at another casino.

I play liveroulette.com

Spinning from Last number

Left and Right rotation alternating after a spin.


This is one of the reasons for posting it on the forum for others to test in there casinos

No system is 100%

Regards,

Si

So far for me it hasn't gone past 4 progressions.

I also agree with Simon and TwoCatSam on not betting on zero. Although it's tempting to place a small portion of your profit on zero, it slows down your overall profit gain as there are some sessions that I've played where it never came up.

Ronin

i know you guys hate the rng but i have just played a real money session using simon's great system  on the playtech rng and won 100 units.

I too play alot on rng - be careful with this system though as I have saw it go past step six many time with rng.

Hi, Simon, your system is discussed at VLS, too.
Congratulations to your excellent idea and thank you for sharing it with us !!!!!

http://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/simon's-2-dozen-system-using-the-lw's/

Best regards
kawa4711

I ll post my ideas here, too:

Quoted Text

Simon`s 2 dozens idea is very interesting , but the steep progression is a problem.
If one say there had been no more than the 4 th step (3-9-27-81) and the the progession of the system is sufficient with 6 steps (3-9-27-81-243-729= total1092 x 2 = 2184) and there will be a day, where there are 8 misses and one will loose 2184 chips.

Perhaps a smoother progression will do better (safer).
A brainstorming idea: perhaps play 1 till a loss then 3 times 3 chips, when lost 3 times (now total 20 chips) 9 chips for perhaps 3 times or longer and so on.
It s no clear idea only a brainstorming idea.
It will take longer to come back from your losses, but you don t need such a large amount (2184 chips).
Perhaps one of our progression specialists could help.

An interesting idea for our programmers could be to make a small program to track this 2 dozens system, perhaps its possible then to check a larger number of spins.

Best regards

kawa4711

..perhaps a D`alembert would be interesting 1,2,3,4, etc., but  I don`t know, if there is a D`alembert for 2 dozens possible.

Perhaps its interesting to tzry some progressions on this interesting idea.

Best regards

kawa 4711

Hi, Fluker, I tried a DÁlembert on paper :
1,2,3,4,...after a loss I add one on each dozen, after a win I stay on the same amount of chips.
After 6 + an 5 - you break even or it is a small win, depending , how the + - come.
Best regards
kawa4711
I ve tested it on OC real play :

Waiting for a repeat of one dozen, after changing a dozen I play the other 2 dozens, after a loss I wait for another repeat anddo the same:

par ex.:
1
1
2
betting 2 and3

1 appears- Loss-stop betting

2
2
3  
betting 1 and3

1 appears -Win- waiting for another repeat

my LW:
LWWWWWWLW

Not so bad

Best regards

kawa4711

Best regards
kawa4711

Hi kawa4711,

Why are you placing links to other sites? Does the thread on the site you mention offer a link to Simon's original thread here on this forum? I have found in the past that the links all tended to be one way traffic. Traffic makes revenue on most sites - be fair to the proprietor of this site also.




                                                                                                     Best regards

Hi, coolpaddy, I am sorry, that  didn t see, that there was no link on VLS to this excellent thread on rouletteforum.net.
Now there is one :

http://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/simon's-2-dozen-system-using-the-lw's/

Best regards

kawa4711

Both, simon and sam try to explain the rules as good as they can but why every explanation has a different rules? The best will be to make complete example of 50 spins and explain every step you do.
I tested it on 800 spins and it went once to 5 loses in row. Martingale progression 1-3-9-27-81-243. 243 x 2= 728 units needed to win a few. Sam is right to stop betting after 27 units are gone and take it as loss. Than came 3 times 4 losses and bunch of 3 losses.
Detailed example would clear the confusion. I know you can do it, guys.
Thanks Carlo

Hi All,

Mad 1/2 hour from you guys lol

Another idea I have been looking at is the majority wins were within 2 spins so you could bet to stage 2 on the progression then wait until it lost then your next bet on the start your 1st bet at progression 3 - 4 then stop again then take it to the next bet on the 4th progression.

Just chucking ideas and I totally agree progression  is a winner if you have the bank and the table that support high end stakes but it can be a killer and quite scary.

Lets keep thinking how we can resolve this issue this will be the key to this and any other system.

Even maybe chucking in a red or black chip to half the other dozens chance of winning ?

Posted thread to VLS I got nothing to hide but thanks for the support and yes I would have liked to have been asked 1st but what is done is done.

Regards,

Si

Quoted from Carlo

Both, simon and sam try to explain the rules as good as they can but why every explanation has a different rules? The best will be to make complete example of 50 spins and explain every step you do.
I tested it on 800 spins and it went once to 5 loses in row. Martingale progression 1-3-9-27-81-243. 243 x 2= 728 units needed to win a few. Sam is right to stop betting after 27 units are gone and take it as loss. Than came 3 times 4 losses and bunch of 3 losses.
Detailed example would clear the confusion. I know you can do it, guys.
Thanks Carlo

Here are numbers with details alongside

26  start number
13 bet next on 1 & 2
27 lost now wait for next different dozen
12 bet next step in progression 1& 2
21 won now wait for next different dozen
34 bet 1 & 3
20 lost now wait for next different dozen
27 bet next step in progression 1 & 3
6 won now wait for next different dozen
17 bet 2 & 3
6 lost now wait for next different dozen
6 wait
24 bet next step in progression 2 & 3
18 won now wait for next different dozen
15 wait
34 bet 1 & 3
1 won now wait

i believe this is correct - works for me anyway. cheers

Hi, theneophyte
I would play your numbers as follows ( with my way there are not so much possibilties to play, but enough not to get bored)
I begin my first play after a dozen repeats one or more times:

26  start number
13
27
12
21
34
20
27
6
17
6
6 repeat of dozen 1, waiting for end of dozen1
24 dozen 2 appears so end of dozen 1 next bet on doz  2 and 3
18 won doz 2 , now wait, because doz is a repeater
15 dozen 2 appears again so wait
34 change in dozen, so bet 1 & 3
1 won

Hi all, it's my first post here. I am from Italy and sorry if my english is not excellent.
I read Simon system and it looked interesting, so I am trying it since yesterday on a RNG casino of playtech.
I haven't written down all the bets but I started in demo mode at 2,000 $ and now I am 2,200 $
I am waiting for 2 losses (or you could say 2 revert) and then I start to play.
Max series of losses has been 6 (only once) so considering I am betting after 2 losses,
I used x1,x3,x9,x27,x81 to beat the 6th loss.
A few other times, like 7-8 times, it went on 5 series of losses.
I don't cover the zero I only consider it like an "extension" of the dozen that I am playing against,as the dozen
is formed by 12 numbers + zero = 13 numbers.
I guess success depends on how far it can go with the losses, in my experience I've seen more than 20 consecutive
reds or blacks and if one plays millions of numbers it will probably go more than 25.
I see many people don't like the RNG mode, in my opinion RNG is actually more random than live roulette because
it doesn't have any material disturb.(no hands,no ball,no wheel)
I also notice that someone experience different results with dozen and columns. Is that influenced by the presence
of 8 blacks in the second column and 8 reds in third column? All three dozens instead are balanced with 6 reds & 6 blacks
Thanks Simon for sharin your method, let's hope it will win in the long term!

Quoted from kawa4711

Hi, theneophyte
I would play your numbers as follows ( with my way there are not so much possibilties to play, but enough not to get bored)
I begin my first play after a dozen repeats one or more times:

26  start number
13
27
12
21
34
20
27
6
17
6
6 repeat of dozen 1, waiting for end of dozen1
24 dozen 2 appears so end of dozen 1 next bet on doz  2 and 3
18 won doz 2 , now wait, because doz is a repeater
15 dozen 2 appears again so wait
34 change in dozen, so bet 1 & 3
1 won

hi kawa4711, i was playing it the same way, waiting for at least two dozens the same then betting against when the run stopped. it works well. i also tried simons way, as i posted, and found it worked too.

I'm new here. I have been interested to use this system.

There is something I need to ask. What if I lose in the first progression, then there is a dealer change for spinning the wheel, should I continue my progression to second level. Here's my example:

DZ
1
1
2 (bet Dozen 2 & 3)
1 (Lose in the first progression)
Change dealer
2 (bet Dozen 2 & 3 using second progression?)

Hi lkcheng,

Dealer should not make a differance in my spin data.

Numbers are still all random.

Still not a lover of RGN concirning some of your previous posts.

I am glad you are having success with my system.

Regards,

Si

Hi Si

I tried a bit on RNG and had very good results so far.

Thanks for your advice Simon. I'm now more confident on using the system.

I reached 5th progression today...two "zero's" came up in that betting sequence. Once when I was waiting for the dozen to miss and second time was on the 4th progression.

Bit scary when that happens, but, again the system for me hasn't gone past 5 progressions.  :)

Ronin

Hi, Simon,
thank you for sharing your idea.
I play it since 6 days with a really good hitquote (not more than 3 following misses), but I put some money on Zero or sometimes on 0/1/2/3.
My way of playing is:

Wait for a dozen repeat after changing I bet the other 2 dozens (against the repeaterdozen).
After a win or a loss I wait for another repeaterdozen and when it ends I play agin aginst the  repeaterdozen.

I use a D`Alembertprogression.
Perhaps it would be interesting idea to try a kind of progression par. ex. to play flatbetting and progress after a minus of 10 from 1 € chips to 5 E chips or 10 E chips.

Its just an idea.....


With best regards

kawa4711

Anyone using bet365?  I saw a progression go up to 8 yesterday! I wonder about that site sometimes....

Ronin

Hi All,

As disscussed before my results are on Livroulette.com

Bet365 sucks and I have no faith in them seen some funny things large progressions , camera failues on large bets , tech issues golore.

Regards,

Si

Do you have to live in UK to play there?

Ronin

Quoted from Ronin

Do you have to live in UK to play there?

Ronin

As far as I know yes you need to be a UK resident to be able to play..

Quoted from 1087

Hi All,

As disscussed before my results are on Livroulette.com

Bet365 sucks and I have no faith in them seen some funny things large progressions , camera failues on large bets , tech issues golore.

Regards,

Si

And what about other Playtech live casinos such as Eurogrand, Casino Tropez?? Are they the same as Bet365.com or better?

What is your personal experience with them? Please answer..

Thanks,

David

i use playtech casinos and they do often have technical difficulties & some wierd happenings. i like them because on most you you can make 10p bets which is good for testing systems with real money.

try the casinomeister website for info on different casinos.

Quoted from kawa4711

Hi, Simon,
thank you for sharing your idea.
I play it since 6 days with a really good hitquote (not more than 3 following misses), but I put some money on Zero or sometimes on 0/1/2/3.
My way of playing is:

Wait for a dozen repeat after changing I bet the other 2 dozens (against the repeaterdozen).
After a win or a loss I wait for another repeaterdozen and when it ends I play agin aginst the  repeaterdozen.

I use a D`Alembertprogression.
Perhaps it would be interesting idea to try a kind of progression par. ex. to play flatbetting and progress after a minus of 10 from 1 € chips to 5 E chips or 10 E chips.

Its just an idea.....


With best regards

kawa4711

Just wondering how you are using the D'Alembert progression with this system....i thought it was meant for even chances?  I did a few tests and wasnt able to get in the plus very much after losing a few in a row because i dont think the payout was even to how i was playing the d'alembert but maybe i'm not playing it right since this is not betting on even chances...

Hi Bj did you finish the software for this system?

I'm working on it but have a bug which
I can't squash.  Or perhaps I've reached
the limit of my programming abilities?

It's a tricky bit of work to skip processing
of spins which don't "win".

Watch this space (but don't hold your breath).

ah! well thanks for the update, i spec lots of people here are routin for you! sounds tricky... fraid i cant help with it. good luck!!!!

Quoted from wiztek

ah! well thanks for the update, i spec lots of people here are routin for you! sounds tricky... fraid i cant help with it. good luck!!!!

Whats he trying to do? automate this for a website? i can do that

I think he's trying to create a program for Simons Dozen System
If you can automate that (and I know you can) I'm sure many people here would be grateful!

Quoted from keith4444

I think he's trying to create a program for Simons Dozen System
If you can automate that (and I know you can) I'm sure many people here would be grateful!

what web sites people? tell me and ill get on to it

liveroulette.com please!

Quoted from keith4444

liveroulette.com please!

i could, but since i dont live in the UK i cant sign up.. i would need someone to sign up for me

How about jebet.com?
Unless anyone knows of another live dealer wheel with a better spread?

Jebet.com looks like a good choice. Dublinbet.com is pretty much te same site but with a other name so we could use it there also.

Poit,

That's a pretty generous offer!   :)

Can you automate bet365 live?

Hey, Poit, if you PM me your email i can send you a proxy sever program that will enable you to make your computer "pretend" its in the UK so you can sign up if that helps.

Quoted from 1087

Hi All,

As disscussed before my results are on Livroulette.com

Bet365 sucks and I have no faith in them seen some funny things large progressions , camera failues on large bets , tech issues golore.

Regards,

Si

Hi Simon,

I am from Singapore and most south east asia players are playing at http://www.lai8cai.com.This online casino is popular with in this part of the world and they have both live and RNG. I have a couple of thousand spins from there.Would you like them to conduct your tests?I want to be invole in this too

Quoted from Ronin

Poit,

That's a pretty generous offer!   :)

Can you automate bet365 live?

ok. just so i know, could someone tell me the exact rules. ive noticed its changed a bit since first post and to wiz email = poit187@gmail.com

far out lol. bet365 is a bit weird. there is no real indication if uve won or not. I have found a way though, it will be tricky, but it will work. give me a day and ill post it for everyone to use

Quoted from 1304

far out lol. bet365 is a bit weird. there is no real indication if uve won or not. I have found a way though, it will be tricky, but it will work. give me a day and ill post it for everyone to use

I will be waiting.May the force be with you!

do u guys want me to start as low as possible? i.e 1cent starts? im signed in with australian dollars, so its 1cent min, i know uk would be like 25cents dont think it would effect it too much as the posisition of the chip selection is in the same spot

Hi Poit,

That was fast!  You must be really good.

Anyway the table minimum is 25 cents. So you'd have to start with 13 cents each dozen (13+13 =26 cents) at a bare minimum or 20 cents each for simplicity sake.

Thanks in advance,

Ronin

Surely we would have to start with the lowest chip denomination? 0.25 in this case for uk (and I assume EU?)

hi, im using liveroulette.com , at the moment im just collecting spins, but i was just wondering, what would be a safe bankroll to play with? currently i only have £130, but i can put another 70 in to make it £200, would that be relatively safe to play with or still too risky? i would play with £1 for the starting progression and stop after the 4th step (£27) eg 1/3/9/27, would this be the best way to play the system with a small bankroll like mine?

thanks,
ryan

Does anyone by any change have a Roulette Extreme 2.0 .dgt for this system ?

-RR24

Quoted from ryan08

hi, im using liveroulette.com , at the moment im just collecting spins, but i was just wondering, what would be a safe bankroll to play with? currently i only have £130, but i can put another 70 in to make it £200, would that be relatively safe to play with or still too risky? i would play with £1 for the starting progression and stop after the 4th step (£27) eg 1/3/9/27, would this be the best way to play the system with a small bankroll like mine?

thanks,
ryan

Hi Ryan,

I am a newbie myself really but I don't think its safe enough I do think 400 should be enough.

Quoted from 1087

Hi Sam,

You do not place a bet until the winning dozen has ended As example Below:

1 doz hits      -     dont bet
1 doz hits      -     dont bet
1 doz hits      -     dont bet
2 doz hits      -     bet next spin on doz 2 & 3 @ 1 unit if it loses on 1 doz again wait until the 1 doz has ended as above then use the 3 unit progression if that loses wait again then apply the 9 unit progression and so on.

FROM MY DATA DONT PROGRESS MORE THAN THE 4th PROGRESSION TAKE THE LOSS AND COVER THE ZERO ON THE 3RD & 4TH PROGRESSION AND YOU WILL WIN LONG TERM.

I HAVE NOT FINISHED CHECKING ALL THE DATA YET BUT THE RESULTS SHOW AFTER 3000 SPINS THE FOLLOWING HAPPENED:

WON 1ST BET     -     444 TIMES

WON 2ND BET     -     141 TIMES

WIO 3RD BET     -      44 TIMES

WON 4TH BET     -      17 TIMES

WON 5TH BET     -        2 TIMES

WON 6TH BET     -        1 TIMES

NO OTHER PROGRESSIONS FOUND YET

I have done a 3000 spin test and on a £10 stake losses were £4250 and profit was £10870 = £6620 total profit.

WORSE MISS WAS 4 ONCE SO I COVER A 6 PROGRESSION

Regards,

Si

Hello Simon,

Is this what you mean?Below is winning numbers from live on line casino I am playing at

14      2nd dozen      Don't bet
15      2nd dozen      Don't bet
17      2nd dozen      Don't bet
27      3rd dozen       Bet on 1st dozen and 3rd dozen 1 unit each
27      3rd dozen       Win

am I following right so far?

yeah m8 thats it.

ryan

Thanks for posting your system Simon.

I'm going to back to a casino Monday and I will try this system, seems to be working pretty well on a RNG

Quoted from ryan08

yeah m8 thats it.

ryan

1/3/9/27 thats all I can do when its at 27 it is scary really

Quoted from ryan08

yeah m8 thats it.

ryan

Test it in roulette xtreme 2.0 software with 1000 spins

$10 bets with $500 bankroll

Final banlkroll $930.00

Looks good here to go

Highest progression was only $90 didn't went any higher will test more

Quoted from see_jerek

Test it in roulette xtreme 2.0 software with 1000 spins

$10 bets with $500 bankroll

Final banlkroll $930.00

Looks good here to go

Highest progression was only $90 didn't went any higher will test more

Test 2 with roulette xtreme 2.0 software with 1000 spins

$10 bets with $500 bankroll

Final banlkroll $1080.00

Highest progression was $270.00

Quoted from see_jerek

Test 2 with roulette xtreme 2.0 software with 1000 spins

$10 bets with $500 bankroll

Final banlkroll $1080.00

Highest progression was $270.00

Test 3 on roulette extrme 2.0 1000 spins
For this test I only progress to $90 based on $10 per bet,I will take a loss at $90 and start over

Start bankroll $500.00

End bankroll $570.00

Clearly this system is usable but it depends on how bold you dare to progress.This test is very conservative and still it produces positive results.Well done,Simon you have found a good system.
and I burn my weekend testing this out,I will try out on line live conditions next week and see how it goes.Hope members here find my tests useful

Thanks for the testings see_jerek, but to earn $70 on 1000 spins is not impressive. There should be different progression that Martingale. What about D' Alembert, win -1 unit, loss +1 unit? If you win bet one more time the highest bet and then reset to 1/1 unit. If you lose the second bet on the highest go 1 unit up like always when you lose. It should be secure betting.
Carlo

Quoted from Carlo

Thanks for the testings see_jerek, but to earn $70 on 1000 spins is not impressive. There should be different progression that Martingale. What about D' Alembert, win -1 unit, loss +1 unit? If you win bet one more time the highest bet and then reset to 1/1 unit. If you lose the second bet on the highest go 1 unit up like always when you lose. It should be secure betting.
Carlo

Of course,I do agree with you that $70 on 1000 spins is really not worth the time and effort but its conservative playing manner and still it produces profits.

iv been trying a sort of super aggresive way to play, wait for 2 dozens but with extra bets so you can get 2 or 3 different bets going at the same time, this is how it goes

1 dozen...
1dozen...
2dozen - bet 1 unit on dozen 2 and 3, (1dozen against)
1dozen... lose
1dozen...
3dozen - here i bet 3 unit on 2 and 3, i also start a new progression so i bet another 1 unit on 2 and 3 so now i have 2 progressions going
1 dozen... lose again
1dozen...
2dozen - here i bet 9 units on 2 and 3, aswel as 3 units on 2 and 3, i also start another progression because the dozen has repeated twice again(do not start another progression if u only wait for 1 dozen) now i have 3 different progressions at different stages,
3 dozen... win! - here i win all 3 progressions back and make a total off 3 units from them, 1st pro went to 3rd step, 2nd went to 2nd step and 3rd went to the 1st step before winning!

my results over 1000 spins are as follows -

1st = 139
2nd = 45
3rd =  17
4th =  4
5th = 1

using 4 step progression (1/3/9/27) using 1 unit starting bets i made +206, loss -80, profit 126, use 5 units i would make +630 after loss, and use 10 units i would have made +1260 after loss.

waiting for 3 dozens to miss playing the same progression with 1 unit start bets over 1000 spins i would have lost -16!

Very cool Ryan! I like your multi-dimentional way of thinking. :)

Ronin

great idea ryan - good for other types of bets to i think.

Quoted from ryan08

iv been trying a sort of super aggresive way to play, wait for 2 dozens but with extra bets so you can get 2 or 3 different bets going at the same time, this is how it goes

1 dozen...
1dozen...
2dozen - bet 1 unit on dozen 2 and 3, (1dozen against)
1dozen... lose
1dozen...
3dozen - here i bet 3 unit on 2 and 3, i also start a new progression so i bet another 1 unit on 2 and 3 so now i have 2 progressions going
1 dozen... lose again
1dozen...
2dozen - here i bet 9 units on 2 and 3, aswel as 3 units on 2 and 3, i also start another progression because the dozen has repeated twice again(do not start another progression if u only wait for 1 dozen) now i have 3 different progressions at different stages,
3 dozen... win! - here i win all 3 progressions back and make a total off 3 units from them, 1st pro went to 3rd step, 2nd went to 2nd step and 3rd went to the 1st step before winning!

my results over 1000 spins are as follows -

1st = 139
2nd = 45
3rd =  17
4th =  4
5th = 1

using 4 step progression (1/3/9/27) using 1 unit starting bets i made +206, loss -80, profit 126, use 5 units i would make +630 after loss, and use 10 units i would have made +1260 after loss.

waiting for 3 dozens to miss playing the same progression with 1 unit start bets over 1000 spins i would have lost -16!

Let me try it out bro and post the results

Quoted from ryan08

iv been trying a sort of super aggresive way to play, wait for 2 dozens but with extra bets so you can get 2 or 3 different bets going at the same time, this is how it goes

1 dozen...
1dozen...
2dozen - bet 1 unit on dozen 2 and 3, (1dozen against)
1dozen... lose
1dozen...
3dozen - here i bet 3 unit on 2 and 3, i also start a new progression so i bet another 1 unit on 2 and 3 so now i have 2 progressions going
1 dozen... lose again
1dozen...
2dozen - here i bet 9 units on 2 and 3, aswel as 3 units on 2 and 3, i also start another progression because the dozen has repeated twice again(do not start another progression if u only wait for 1 dozen) now i have 3 different progressions at different stages,
3 dozen... win! - here i win all 3 progressions back and make a total off 3 units from them, 1st pro went to 3rd step, 2nd went to 2nd step and 3rd went to the 1st step before winning!

my results over 1000 spins are as follows -

1st = 139
2nd = 45
3rd =  17
4th =  4
5th = 1

using 4 step progression (1/3/9/27) using 1 unit starting bets i made +206, loss -80, profit 126, use 5 units i would make +630 after loss, and use 10 units i would have made +1260 after loss.

waiting for 3 dozens to miss playing the same progression with 1 unit start bets over 1000 spins i would have lost -16!

Test on Roulette xtreme 2.0 using 1000 spins

Starting bank roll 500

End bank roll  1700

$10 bets

Ryan I am better surprised here it could end at 1700,I think because we waiting for 2 x dozen there are more betting opportunites compare to waiting for 3 x dozens.3 x dozens are more rare and don't happen often.But I would like to mention that multiple progression is not for the faint hearted and it can get out of hand.

you do need to be brave to work this kind of method because as you say the progressions can and will get steep from time to time but it is a rarity that happens, i would suggest just sticking to a 4 step because the losses are easier to recoop, plus its very rare it goes past that anyway, even if it does it would have to hit at least the 8th step before you start to lose big but i havent seen it hit the 6th yet in 1000 spins. i would suggest that playing with 1 unit bets a minimum of 500 units bankroll would be needed but please dont quote me on it as its an estimate, the only way this will make money is if you stick to it, if you start messing bout with your bets this wont work,  and make sure u feel as comfortable as possible while playing. i have had a couple of messages from people saying they dont understand exaclty what i mean so iv tried to simplify it here,

the original system goes like this

wait for at least 1 dozen to repeat 3 times, once the run of the dozen ends, bet against it eg.

1st dozen... wait
1st ... wait
1st ... wait
3rd... now here you will bet that the 1st dozen doesnt appear on the next spin by betting 1 unit on 2nd and 3rd dozen
if you win you get 3 units back (+1) if you lose this is what will happen next...
1st... lose(wait for the dozen to change before betting agen)
3rd... now bet on 2nd and 3rd but use the progression which is 1/3/9/27, so now you will bet 3 units on each dozen instead of 1.
2nd... win!

the variation i posted goes like this -

instead of waiting for 3 dozens before betting, wait for 2 then bet eg.

1st... wait
1st... wait
3rd... bet 2nd and 3rd (bet 1st wont appear)
2nd ... win!

thats the basic bit, now for the tricky part

again like above you follow the same pattern

1st... wait
1st... wait
3rd... bet 2nd and 3rd (bet 1st wont appear) the varitiion of the system requires the 1st bet to lose to be put into practice, so...
1st... lose - here we wait as normal for the dozen to end, if it changes the next spin you progress as normal eg-
2nd... bet
3rd ... win

now here goes the tricky bit

after the 1st bet loses if it repeats you treat it as a new bet aswel as progressing on the bet just lost. eg-

1st... wait
1st... wait
3rd... bet 2nd and 3rd (bet 1st wont appear)
1st... lose...wait
1st... wait
2nd ...bet(here you will bet 3 units because you lost the 1st bet so you need to progress, now, also you will pretend that the 2nd repeated dozen(red) was the 1st time it happened so you will bet another 1 unit on the same to dozens you have you progression bet on(2nd and 3rd in this example) now you have 2 different bets going at the same time.
3rd... win! here you win 9 units from the first bet(-8) so profit=+1, also you win second bet 3 units(-2)= +1 profit.

this system so far for me seems to have a slightly higher risk of losing but triples the profit which more than covers the loss. hope this helps those people, please ask anyone who is still unsure,

ryan

also i would like to add that, even betting this method is really just as safe and personally i fink you have more chance of losing your money with the original plan because for the amount of oppotunities waiting for 2 dozens is increased 3 nearly 4 fold while the risk of losing a progression seems about the same risk, sounds strange but if you fink about it, it makes perfect sense, becaause wether you wait for 2 or 3, after you lose one bet, both systems here on have the exact same chance to win or lose, and because the waiting 3 times is quite rare i reckon it wud be a struggle to make enough money before you lose it due to the progression, look at the profits that jerek recieved, over 3 times as much as he started with!

Quoted from JustinT22

Thanks for posting your system Simon.

I'm going to back to a casino Monday and I will try this system, seems to be working pretty well on a RNG

how is it going bro?

Quoted from ryan08

also i would like to add that, even betting this method is really just as safe and personally i fink you have more chance of losing your money with the original plan because for the amount of oppotunities waiting for 2 dozens is increased 3 nearly 4 fold while the risk of losing a progression seems about the same risk, sounds strange but if you fink about it, it makes perfect sense, becaause wether you wait for 2 or 3, after you lose one bet, both systems here on have the exact same chance to win or lose, and because the waiting 3 times is quite rare i reckon it wud be a struggle to make enough money before you lose it due to the progression, look at the profits that jerek recieved, over 3 times as much as he started with!

Simon has stress that waiting for 2x dozen have produce 7th steps progressions before.If that happens,we will be wipe out big time.But if you are lucky and you don't encounter that,then its good profits.I have use the 2 x systems using 10/30/90/270 and went up to 500 since monday.Got wipe out this morning yucks

simon said it went up to the 7th step but it doesnt make the loss any bigger than if it only hit the 5th, because you are playing a 4 step progression, if you hit the 5th step you would lose and restart the progression sequence which then gives you till the 8th step to win, even if you lose on this step because it is so rare that the 8th will come up i guarantee that you will have made the money to cover the loss, any system will fail inevitably from time to time, the way to win is by making more money than you have lost, if you can do this you have a long term winning system, and so far the system has been good to me

Quoted from ryan08

simon said it went up to the 7th step but it doesnt make the loss any bigger than if it only hit the 5th, because you are playing a 4 step progression, if you hit the 5th step you would lose and restart the progression sequence which then gives you till the 8th step to win, even if you lose on this step because it is so rare that the 8th will come up i guarantee that you will have made the money to cover the loss, any system will fail inevitably from time to time, the way to win is by making more money than you have lost, if you can do this you have a long term winning system, and so far the system has been good to me

Hi mate,

Maybe I have no balls for progression ha ha ha
Do it think it will work and generate profit at 3 steps 10/30/90 together with your mutiple progression?
I can take that kind of loss

Hi see_jerek,

a 4 progression should be ok my results show still good profit on this progression.

Please remeber x1 bank is no good you need a back up.

Also on a final note this system and results was based on the data from livroulette.com and the way they use the wheel and I clearly stated thast you need to check your data if using another site.

I still think this is a top system and I think most on this forum agree ?

Regards,

Si

Quoted from 1087

Hi see_jerek,

a 4 progression should be ok my results show still good profit on this progression.

Please remeber x1 bank is no good you need a back up.

Also on a final note this system and results was based on the data from livroulette.com and the way they use the wheel and I clearly stated thast you need to check your data if using another site.

I still think this is a top system and I think most on this forum agree ?

Regards,


Si

Hi Simon,

thank you for your advise.I have a bet spread of 10 to1000 at my casino.The max I could go is a 10/30/90/270.Did anyone try this with columns as well?

Regards,
Jerek

Jerek columns is funny as they are not evenly distributed.

Quoted from Vetkop

Jerek columns is funny as they are not evenly distributed.

Its really funny though in fact the wheel where the numbers are also not distrubuted,its in fact the same in theory

I just got back from the Casino last night.

Started with 300 dollars, didn't bet at all until I saw the numbers hit like this, I bet 100 dollars on each dozen that hadn't hit...and in the 6 times this came up I won 5 times for a profit of 400 dollars.

I also got lucky a little bit and left with 1400 dollars.

So far this looks pretty good :)

Quoted from JustinT22

I just got back from the Casino last night.

Started with 300 dollars, didn't bet at all until I saw the numbers hit like this, I bet 100 dollars on each dozen that hadn't hit...and in the 6 times this came up I won 5 times for a profit of 400 dollars.

I also got lucky a little bit and left with 1400 dollars.

So far this looks pretty good :)

Thats really good news pal!

very good Justin! Congratulations, you left when you it was necessary

i think i have found a way to make profit flat betting, you have to wait for a dozen to repeat, twice is enough, then like on the systems earlier wait for the dozen to stop repeating, then bet against it, if you lose you dont use a progression, you wait until a dozen repeats again then do the same, but if you lose and the dozen you lost on repeats again, dont bet until it is a fresh repeat,

according to my results (liveroulette.com autowheel) this should give you double your loss in profit, 2:1

if anyone can have a look at this and tell me what they think to it i would be greatfull

Quoted from ryan08

i think i have found a way to make profit flat betting, you have to wait for a dozen to repeat, twice is enough, then like on the systems earlier wait for the dozen to stop repeating, then bet against it, if you lose you dont use a progression, you wait until a dozen repeats again then do the same, but if you lose and the dozen you lost on repeats again, dont bet until it is a fresh repeat,

Hi Ryan,

Can you give example please?

thanks,

Manaman

eg

1 dozen...wait
1 doz...wait
3rd doz...bet
1 doz...lose
1 doz... wait
2nd doz... (dont bet)
etc.etc

instead wait for the repeating dozen to end its run (as though you were playing with a progression) then next time a repeat dozen comes up bet again like before, so it is possible to bet on the same dozen twice in a row

Has anyone thought about doing this in reverse and betting the dozen 'will' jump back... using a 1 2 3 4 6 9 ect progression?

eg:

21  
30 ..bet dozen 2
36 ..lose  br= -1
33 ..wait..  
23 ..bet dozen 3 with 2 units
13 ..lose  br= -3
23 ..wait..
0   ..wait..
18 ..wait..
29 ..bet dozen 2 with 3 units
23 ..win    br= +3
18 ..wait..
20 ..wait..
29 ..bet dozen 2 with 1 unit
8   ..lose  (br= +2) bet dozen 3 with 2 units
31 ..win (br= +6) bet dozen 1 with 1 unit
17 ..lose (br= +5) bet dozen 3 with 2 units
35 ..win br=  +9


manaman

Tried this New System today for about 2 hours at Wild Jack live. Result = +30 units.

ryan could you make some real betting example with spin numbers (about 20 spins#) on the flat betting?  It is not very clear to me that way you explained it but it could be a good idea.
Thanks Carlo

basically wait for 2 dozens to repeat not 3, then bet as normal but if you lose dont progress just wait for another repeat whenever it comes up, my results come up positive but please test it 1st because i only did 1000 spins

Guys, put attention to manaman strategy for one D/C! It needs better progression but idea it is excellent. I tested 150 spins with good result. The progression should go up to 12 spins for security. cps10 is master on progressions he could master one. cps10, bets on one D/C progression for 10/12 spins? I hope he is checking the forum.
Very good idea manaman you are really double man.
Thanks Carlo

I tried the missing 3 dozens again when I went back to the casinos Saturday.

Started off winning 3 times in a row with 100 dollars profit per spin.

After that I went on a losing streak and lost 6 times in a row, so -300 dollars. Stopped after that

I tested manaman strategy on 300 spins and the maximum failure was 5 spins what is peanut for betting one dozen or column. Don't waste your energy and time on testing losers it could take you whole life away.
Carlo

Carlo,

I agree that this system deserves more investigation, but 300 spins is hardly a proper test. I tried it too and it went to 8 progressions. Still not bad, but again we need to run it through at least 25,000 spins or so.

Just my opinion,

Ronin

Quoted from JustinT22

I tried the missing 3 dozens again when I went back to the casinos Saturday.

Started off winning 3 times in a row with 100 dollars profit per spin.

After that I went on a losing streak and lost 6 times in a row, so -300 dollars. Stopped after that

Why didn't you go to step 2 to recover your loss?

Ronin probably because you bet it differently than I. I have for all dozens separate account, therefore less misses, but 8 losses in row is nothing with the cps10 ladder progression to 28 or 29 spins. Simple and effective strategy.
Carlo

Quoted from Carlo

Thanks for the testings see_jerek, but to earn $70 on 1000 spins is not impressive. There should be different progression that Martingale. What about D' Alembert, win -1 unit, loss +1 unit? If you win bet one more time the highest bet and then reset to 1/1 unit. If you lose the second bet on the highest go 1 unit up like always when you lose. It should be secure betting.
Carlo

Hi Carlo,

I follow your instructions and try your methods out,what it actually does is when you lose it helps you recover over a few spins,in order to profit you have to recover the loss 1st if you hit a miss a few times.Can get draggy at times trying to recover the loss.

Guys

I can't remember whether this is the correct thread or not, but I've been winning pretty constantly with Simon's system of waiting for 2 or more hits in the same dozen and as soon as the streak breaks then bet against it.

I've been testing it on RNG (I know rigged, etc hehehe but too lazy to white for the live hits) and has double my money. Just thought I'd let you know.

Anybody else still playing it with an update or is this the reason everyone is quite?

[quote=1346]Guys

I can't remember whether this is the correct thread or not, but I've been winning pretty constantly with Simon's system of waiting for 2 or more hits in the same dozen and as soon as the streak breaks then bet against it.

quote]

Hi Vetkop, bet against what?

cheers

That's the same one I play manaman. What rules do you follow with regards to the progression?

Quoted from Vetkop

Guys

I can't remember whether this is the correct thread or not, but I've been winning pretty constantly with Simon's system of waiting for 2 or more hits in the same dozen and as soon as the streak breaks then bet against it.

I've been testing it on RNG (I know rigged, etc hehehe but too lazy to white for the live hits) and has double my money. Just thought I'd let you know.

Sorry Vektop, my last message was ment to be a quote from you.

I was asking what you bet against?

Thanks

hi manaman, when you play this system, you wait for at least 1 dozen to repeat twice, when the dozen stops repeating you bet that on the next spin it wont revert back to the dozen that repeated, this is what vektop refers to as betting against, you bet against the repeat dozen reappearing, hope this helps

Vetkop, what was the highest progression you went up to?

Ronin

the highest iv seen in 1500 spins on live wheel is 6th

Quoted from ryan08

hi manaman, when you play this system, you wait for at least 1 dozen to repeat twice, when the dozen stops repeating you bet that on the next spin it wont revert back to the dozen that repeated, this is what vektop refers to as betting against, you bet against the repeat dozen reappearing, hope this helps

Thanks Ryan

no probs mate

I played this system over the weekend, it looks good and i was up a little till everyother spin it went back to the dozen i was betting against.  

Thanks for the info Ryan & Sedated.

Ronin

no probs ronin

I don't know what the solution is to prevent huge losses when the dozen we are betting against keeps coming everyother roll, cause even starting at 1$ units with progression, it starts to get steep  in a hurry i went to 10 progressions before i stopped and i havent played anymore since.  I guess just setting a progression limit  and sticking to it is all you can do and try again later.  But overall i normally hit on the 1st - 2nd step of the progression.

Ive been playing it the Vektop way waiting for a dozen to repaeat twice or more on the trot then when it jumps to a new dozen, bet that it wont go back to the repeating dozen, starting with 5 units on each dozen (5+5) and then on a win adding one to each (6+6 ect) then once it gets to 10+10 or on a loss go back down to 5+5 .

Results using live wheel numbers:

Spin #,Bankroll Balance
1,500
2,500
3,500
4,500
5,505
6,505
7,505
8,511
9,511
10,511
11,518
12,518
13,518
14,518
15,502
16,502
17,502
18,507
19,507
20,507
21,507
22,513
23,513
24,513
25,513
26,513
27,513
28,513
29,513
30,513
31,513
32,520
33,520
34,520
35,520
36,520
37,520
38,520
39,528
40,528
41,528
42,537
43,537
44,537
45,537
46,537
47,537
48,537
49,547
50,547
51,547
52,552

Not bad just one loss at the start,think a longer test is needed.

Cheers

Hi guys

Ronin I've tested 500 live spins so far and went to 5th step once and too the 4th step 3 times.

Ryan thanks for explaining the way I play clearer.

Sedated being lazy I've been playing it on RNG and only went to the 5th step once so far.

Guys since we know it only go's to the 6th step we might look at another type of progression. I'.ve also noted in the majority of cases, it hits in the 1st 3 steps of the progression. So might be worth testing a 3 step progression, stop and start a new progression with a starting value of where the previous progression ended.

I'm sorry but with all this updates, I don't see very good what is the best variation of the original method now, can someone explain to me?

I find Simons system very slow, playing 1, 3, 9, 27 progression at live roulette +12 units in 1 1/2 hours  ( went to 4 once and 3 twice) That`s £12 proffit (£1 units). Can`t jump for joy at the moment.

Quoted from fredytedy

I find Simons system very slow, playing 1, 3, 9, 27 progression at live roulette +12 units in 1 1/2 hours  ( went to 4 once and 3 twice) That`s £12 proffit (£1 units). Can`t jump for joy at the moment.

You can make it faster by playing 10, 30, 90, 270.. but then its more risky if you lose it all when the bad streak catches you!

in 256 spins, (1 page of my spins) i have only seen the progression hit step 5, no further, over 1500 spins i have seen it hit 6 once, waiting for either 2 or 3 dozens as a repeat so my advice would be to play 2 dozens then bet, also i would jus play for 3-5 bets, using 10 units thats 30-50 units, after a month asuming you dont lose all your money! you should easily be able to bet 20 units, maybe 30, which will turn 30-50+ into 90-150+ with a relitively low risk compared to hours of playing, to play even safer, maybe wait for a 5 or more progression to hit playing virtual (100-150spins 1 normally shows up), once it has switch to money play which should ease your mind from worrying as much when the next killer will strike, remember, 5 spins then get out, maybe play twice a day, this system is a money maker played right,

it will take some time and effort but a long term winner is better than a short term 1

Hi ryan, i like your thinking that a little play on a regular basis maybe an advantage, but another way of thinking is roulette is an extreme event which is different each time you model it , test 1 a wining system test 2 a loser!, another way to think about it is, you have to cross a mine field, your method move a bit and have a lap, then move some more! its the same thing just over a longer time...... don't you think?!?!?!

BTW from the members so far on si system 6 is the max progression? so 1, 3, 9, 27,81,243 ? should make this a slow winner? anyone gone six on this one yet? you back from your holiday yet Simon?????

Quoted from wiztek

Hi ryan, i like your thinking that a little play on a regular basis maybe an advantage, but another way of thinking is roulette is an extreme event which is different each time you model it , test 1 a wining system test 2 a loser!, another way to think about it is, you have to cross a mine field, your method move a bit and have a lap, then move some more! its the same thing just over a longer time...... don't you think?!?!?!

BTW from the members so far on si system 6 is the max progression? so 1, 3, 9, 27,81,243 ? should make this a slow winner? anyone gone six on this one yet? you back from your holiday yet Simon?????

Just my humble opinion,I have early success with this system but because its using martingale its a matter of time before you hit the wall.For me I think,we need a better progression for this system and which step to take a loss instead of just going on and on with the progression.Simon is playing on air ball so it may make a difference if we are playing elsewhere.I was thinking maybe we do a progession of 1/3/9 then stop take loss but I do not know if this is workable over long term play and if this system has the ability to recover loss.You win 1 unit each time but if you go to 3rd step and take loss it will be 26 units quite an uphill task to catch up if you ask me.

That`s exactly what i think

@ wiztek,


i know what your saying about playing continous and in little bits is the same but, think like this, playing continously with any system is a loser in the long run, the only way to play continously is playing a marginal progression and having a huge bankroll, thats your only realistic chance of sucess playing continously, i have tried many systems and every one has failed when playing around the clock,

playing a hit and run, you do still have the chance of losing but, say if you play virtual and wait for a loss, then start a session straight after you may lose again in real money, but had you been playing continously you would have lost twice! that is the advantage of hit and run because with patience you are able to pick when to strike, the key to winning roulette is bet selection.

also 6 is the highest iv seen in 1500 spins, but the minimum for a good test is 5000, so say in the next 1000, it could come up 3 times or there could be a 8-9 come out, so i cant say that 6 would be the highest you would see,

simon has played this system alot more than i have and he has a better idea of what shows up than i do so i would ask him,

anyway hope this helps mate

Well I can say I have increased my starting BR by 200% so am quite happy. I play RNG as I don't have the size BR to play it on the live wheel yet. The max I've gone up is 5 as well.

I also use a decent money management system to make it sucessful. The only part I think that still needs improvement is the progression.

But horses for courses, everybody needs to play a system they are comfortable with.

Simon you back yet? Anybody else plays this system?

We need work on the progression

Hi Guys

Only look at this forum occasionally now ( over the last few months). Use to look at it, almost everyday for a year before that, when some really good things were happening here. Lost some good people and contributors from here, miss them. Anyway, if you don't mind me commenting with some constructive criticism, having stepped back and am looking at this forum from an outside perspective. Whats happening here now?

Has everyone become so tunnel visioned and desperate?

What's this Thread that headlines "New System Looks Pretty Good" with nearly 20,000 views, (incredible) and yet still looks like its in the TESTING STAGE and doesn't look that good at all, with all respect!

How desperate have some become, to sow into this,  and yet for what? (not meaning to offend).

iT WOULD BE MORE HONEST to grab peoples attention with a different TITLE than what has been suggested here.

A lot have been sucked into this through desperation and greed in the hopes of......... you know. A lot are going to say "Well what have you got to offer or contribute as some sort of better alternative".  i say to to that, why should there be any expection or any obligation that I have too. The truth is I already have, by what I've said above, get rid of the desperation and greed from your thinking, approach roulette and the answers you search for, from a totally different perspective, than from what you ever have in the past. In other words, totally different thinking to solving the puzzle. If you do, I believe you will be a lot closer than what you are now to discovering the grail that will work for you, on a very consistent basis, than where you are now.
At the moment its sad to watch. I hope all, are mature enough to take this in the right way, having spent the time to express this, and hopefully this will be of some help, as I do care.

All the Very Best

Eagle
  

Quoted from Eagle

Hi Guys

Only look at this forum occasionally now ( over the last few months). Use to look at it, almost everyday for a year before that, when some really good things were happening here. Lost some good people and contributors from here, miss them. Anyway, if you don't mind me commenting with some constructive criticism, having stepped back and am looking at this forum from an outside perspective. Whats happening here now?

Has everyone become so tunnel visioned and desperate?

What's this Thread that headlines "New System Looks Pretty Good" with nearly 20,000 views, (incredible) and yet still looks like its in the TESTING STAGE and doesn't look that good at all, with all respect!

How desperate have some become, to sow into this,  and yet for what? (not meaning to offend).

iT WOULD BE MORE HONEST to grab peoples attention with a different TITLE than what has been suggested here.

A lot have been sucked into this through desperation and greed in the hopes of......... you know. A lot are going to say "Well what have you got to offer or contribute as some sort of better alternative".  i say to to that, why should there be any expection or any obligation that I have too. The truth is I already have, by what I've said above, get rid of the desperation and greed from your thinking, approach roulette and the answers you search for, from a totally different perspective, than from what you ever have in the past. In other words, totally different thinking to solving the puzzle. If you do, I believe you will be a lot closer than what you are now to discovering the grail that will work for you, on a very consistent basis, than where you are now.
At the moment its sad to watch. I hope all, are mature enough to take this in the right way, having spent the time to express this, and hopefully this will be of some help, as I do care.

All the Very Best

Eagle
  

+10000

I dunno why the forum suddenly became dead.. I really enjoyed constructive posts from Simon (one of the greatest system desginers IMHO), cps10 and sean43.. No posts from them anymore

Nowadays everyone posts crap things and spams the board with rubbish

Hope this situation will improve in the near future

Br,

David

Hi All,

Back now guys and girls but off again soon.


Well Eagle bit of a negative post in my opinion have you tried any of the systems ofr this one ?

So whats the point on this thread are you coming up with a system or have you just joined the site to Criticize ?


HOW ARE YOU ALL DOING WITH THIS SYSTEM SEEMS TO HAVE GONE QUIET ?

Regards,

Si

Yes, I do agree with Eagle that this forum has gone down in quality contributions. I must say though this specific thread is not one of them.

Si glad to see you're back, I've been playing it on RNG (don't laugh but because I play very small units at this stages I don't have the time to play live wheel). I have made +690 units so far.

I have seen it go to the 6th level of progression twice, 5 a few times. Which is in line with the live wheel stats I've been testing.

I play it with Victor's money management system.

The only drawback so far is the progression. Maybe all the guys that plays it can put their heads together and look at the progression.

Thanks for a great system Si. How do you play it these days?

Simon hope you had a great break & nice to see you back on board. Simon in an earlyer post you said you play  15 Systems perhaps in the future you will be kind enough to let us have some of the extra 1s .Good Luck Colin

My Sincere Apologies Simon

I've just gone through the whole Thread and from all accounts you have what seems a pretty good system here.

I will put it through some numbers I have from live wheels.

Thankyou for your post and others who have contributed here.

I guess reading the post part way through with everyones 2 cents thrown in, gave the impression of confusion and no real answer to a rock solid progression, that wasn't as steep, and that, most would feel more comfortable with. I've been burn't big time in the past and am personally looking for perfection with concrete rules, strategy and money managemet rules in place, like everybody else. Yours is close to it, I apologise again for any offense, only constructive criticism intended.

Well Done Simon

Eagle

Hi Eagle,

Thanks for the coments no offence taken.

Hi Colin good thanks m8 will post sum ideas i have had and update you soon

Regards,

Si

good to see you back Simon, perhaps a mid term sum up of your system,  tips and thoughts on your experience of playing it might help make this thread more readable again? thanks. My own thoughts, again i generally feel a system like this that has a high percentage of the table covered (64%?) at one go, with defined money management (ie run for 5 or six progressions?) may create a system that when it fails very rarely, the wins out ways the loss that you will hit from time to time..... what maybe a good idea is for different players test this at different casinos to see if that in it self is a factor in its success , ie is the more skill controlled spins on say Dublin bet Vs the "chuck it in" random style on Bet365 might be a factor?

with this system i shouldnt realy matter what casino you play at, the only time it would matter is if your were using a visual balistics, or playing sectors etc, this type of system shouldnt perform better on 1 wheel than another because of the fact that the dozens you cover on the board are scattered randomly on the wheel, therefore giving random results not biased ones.

good point will test in on DB as its tends to be faster spins......

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Hi Eagle,

Thanks for the coments no offence taken.

Hi Colin good thanks m8 will post sum ideas i have had and update you soon

Regards,

Si

Simon very glad to have you back,I am playing at bet365 and hit the wall twice with your system,I think it performs ok and can generate profits,the only problem is the progression. Someone suggested using a CPS10 ladder progression and with that there is no way it can lose.However,this is the last I heard and nothing else.Maybe we can get CPS10 to suggest a progression.

One thing that amaze me is you are able to get great results but it seems impossible to me.The only result I can think of is we are playing on a different wheel.

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I am playing at bet365 and hit the wall twice

Hi, thats a bit scary, what progressions were you playing? and overall went you subtract the wins from the losses was it worthwhile would you say? thanks

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One thing that amaze me is you are able to get great results but it seems impossible to me.The only result I can think of is we are playing on a different wheel.

Hmm, maybe we are all playing slight variants of the same idea... ie when are we waiting for three columns   to follow, or two? are we doing different things after a loss or a win? and of course what progressions, it maybe why some are wining and some losing.

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Hi, thats a bit scary, what progressions were you playing? and overall went you subtract the wins from the losses was it worthwhile would you say? thanks



Hmm, maybe we are all playing slight variants of the same idea... ie when are we waiting for three columns   to follow, or two? are we doing different things after a loss or a win? and of course what progressions, it maybe why some are wining and some losing.

I am using a 1/2/9/27 progression as original of the system.My bet spread is 10-1000.I am playing $10 per bet using a 1000 b/r.Again I am not saying the system is lousy,it just needs a better progression.Just that no one can come up with one.

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Si,

I have about 60,000 spins I can test on it for you...just PM me if you are interested.

Hi cps10,

we need you to suggest a better progression that will benefit all of us,how about bringing in your ladder?

Quoted from 1087

Hi All,

Back now guys and girls but off again soon.


Well Eagle bit of a negative post in my opinion have you tried any of the systems ofr this one ?

So whats the point on this thread are you coming up with a system or have you just joined the site to Criticize ?


HOW ARE YOU ALL DOING WITH THIS SYSTEM SEEMS TO HAVE GONE QUIET ?

Regards,

Si

Simon,

There are 2 scenerios why it so quiet on this thread.

1.Everyone is too busy winning too much money with the system

2.Everyone try but hit the wall on the progression

I belong to group 2 lol

Hi All,

By the sounds of your responces it looks like 2 me that the highest loss was eight so I would recomend always to cover 9-10 losses and cover lets say a 1,3,9,27,81,243 which is 6 bets so bet on the 4th loss ?

I bet from the start as my results show that the system goes beond 6 very seldem and if you stay on the wheel for a long period you can recover your losses.

I still prefur live roulette as all my data is from there

I have also tried bet365 but I do not like the site but I do take data from there for some ofr my systems.

All betting and system should suit your bank rome waqs not built in a day so bet to your limits and wait dont rush we can be impatent.


All results are random but i beleive that long runs will will end and i now base my results and betting on multiple systems waiting for long runs to end then bet on them as a example if black comes up 10 times i would always start a progression on reds

Got loads of catch up to do with my business but i will post some more during the next few weeks

Regards,

Si

Just thought i would post here came accross simon's system made £4000 and withdrew it. left me with £1500 lost and went down to £200 think the sytem is truly amazing. can be very costly but worth it in long run... JUST ANOTHER TIP I HAVE FOUND.  

AFTER 1800 hours when autowheel comes on on liveroulette if you open both tables analyze all results you will see on most cases the numbers that land on live dealer follow on autowheel. NOT saying it is fixed but am saying there is some sort of pattern...

on wheel before 1800 hrs if the number 27 lands the next number normally is a multiple of 9 i.e 9,18,27,36
same applies for the following.

number 5 then 25 / 15

if it lands in 3rd column then i find in most cases it LANDS in 3rd colum again.

Not trying to intervene with post but thought i would post what i thought was a pattern.

Thanks PHIL..

Well done simon & Helpers.

also found a pattern that when 10 or 20 lands next number is 10 / 20 / 30

& when 33 lands next numbers are either 22 / 11

just a update on what i think this is on liveroulette.com

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Just thought i would post here came accross simon's system made £4000 and withdrew it. left me with £1500 lost and went down to £200 think the sytem is truly amazing. can be very costly but worth it in long run..

Hi Phil can i ask you a question i a bit confused..... (don't take much!) is what you said "i made 4k with Si system, at one point it was down to £200?" can i ask what was your start BR? what was your progression? and how many times it it fail on you? this would be super useful as you have actually used this system with real money much thanks

at first 1 placed a £100 initial deposit used martingale system and got to £200 i then fell on this forum and saw that simon's balance was 55K!

Bankroll start with Simons System is £200 for me i to get a better chance i made a slight alteration i waited for it to land 3 times in either the same column / same dozen. then i bet the other 2 with progression.

1,3,9,27,81. If this was to lose after this i would start again but it has never got to that point of landing 8 times within the same column / dozen.

Then when my balance gets to £600 i then up the progression to 5,15,45,135 this at the end creates you a £5 profit. even when my balance was up to £3000 i still use the 5,15,45,135 progression as it can be very costly after a long consecutive run. the reason i lost towards the end was because i got greedy and started to use the progression 10,30,90 and i didnt have the guts to go any further over 90

so stick to the 1,3,9,27,54 until balance is £600 and then switch to 5,15,45.

Keep us posted on how you do & good luck

p.s i am currently at £275 if you would like me to show you a print screen of withdraw history to prove the system really works just pop me a e-mail.

thanks
Phil.  

I believe you phil. Will have think about your idea. So you played an 8 step progression? Maybe create a new thread for your system?

Hi guys. I think I have wokred out a progression for this system. Will test tonight

Bloody super philr08, thanks for taking the time to explain what you have been doing, real helpful to everyone reading this, i am sure. Vetkop, you are very experienced in the devils game, so will be interested no doubt to see  what you are up to. One thing thou my reading of philr08 post was that he didn't play an 8 step progression , more a five.... that right people?

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Bloody super philr08, thanks for taking the time to explain what you have been doing, real helpful to everyone reading this, i am sure. Vetkop, you are very experienced in the devils game, so will be interested no doubt to see  what you are up to. One thing thou my reading of philr08 post was that he didn't play an 8 step progression , more a five.... that right people?

Simon doesn't play a 8 step defintely,I think its a 5 or 4 step

Vetkop yes i for 1 would to see the new betting plan you are going to use and hope you have all success with it cheers.colin

Quoted from Vetkop

Hi guys. I think I have wokred out a progression for this system. Will test tonight

Hi Vetkop,

How is it coming along?
Anything good?

Hi guys.

It worked last night. But only played 1 short session. Lets see if it holds up this weekend before making it public. Jerek will test it with me. I have never seen it go past 6 steps and that's on the cheating RNG :-)     

Vetkop Thanks and certnly looking foreward to your findings .Colin

I have roulette xtreme for testing it with 100000, 200000 or 1M real spins ( wiesbaden ) but don't have programming knowledge. Please someone could rx the simon's system ? roulette787, sp1n-D1zZy from VIP, St0rm0r from VIP we need about you ! ( ps : sorry for my english... )

Hi, Would someone mind giving me a set of past spin results as i think i have found a gem of a system!!!...dont worry all i will share this info once i have done some tests with past spin results. i am looking for at least between 1000 - 100000

Jignesh

Please start a new thread for this system.

Thank you

Hi guys

I tested my progression for half a day eysterday and abit on Friday and it worked sweet!

Hi Vetkop,

So you have adapted your own progression with Siimons system?  Do you want to test it out some more before you let us know?  Im glad that it worked sweet for you man.

Barry

whats the new progression on this vetkop?

I played both of these but prefer the second one. i worked out around 5 depending on how aggresive I want to be. All input will be appreciated

Bet     Spend     Total     Win          Bet     Spend     Total     Win
1     2     2     1          5     10     10     5
3     6     8     1          20     40     50     10
10     20     28     2          70     140     190     20
32     64     92     4          230     460     650     40
70     140     232     -22                         
210     420     652     -22                         
                                        
Bet     Spend     Total     Win          Bet     Spend     Total     Win
1     2     2     1          5     10     10     5
3     6     8     1          15     30     40     5
10     20     28     2          50     100     140     10
32     64     92     4          150     300     440     10
100     200     292     8                         
280     560     852     -12                         

Joker

What i had been doing was waiting for 2 or more hits in the same dozen , then when it stops bet against it with a progression 1 3 9 etc....but if for example i lost the 1st bet i would not wait for another dozen to repeat and bet against it again , i would just carry on with the progression on the 2 dozens i was betting on with 3 / 9 etc... But I'll use my progressions.

Sorry the site wouldn't let me pm you

What is your starting bank for this Vetkop, also i would like to know what was the highest amount of times you seen it hit the same dozen?  I have seen it hit the same dozen around 9/10 times.  Your wagering seems interesting but its always squecky bum time when it progresses to much, with simons method, if you dont win first time waiting until that dozen stops hitting then betting non the other two seems more safe.  Ive lost big progressions on occasions so im waiting on some more funds before i explore taking some cash of these casinos !!!

Keep up your good work and i hope your winning.

Barry

stat with 1M real spins ( wiesbaden ) : dozen repeating 14 times

Not too suprised by that chairminator, but if you use simons method of betting the first time then waiting i.e. 14 times in that case then betting on the other two dozens seems less likely to lose your bank, this can take a while though.

chase the 1st bet wins with progression, play as normal, but when you lose the first bet track the results for the rest of the progression but dont bet, then when the next set of 2 dozen opportunity comes up bet 3 this time instead of 1 eg

1
1
2bet 2/3 1unit
1
2no bet
3
1
3
2
2
3 bet 1/3 3unit
2
1no bet
3
3
2bet 1/2 9 unit
1 win 27

you have a 5 step progression and you should get a 1st time win 1 in every 3 bets so you have a 2 bet cushion or you could take the loss at 3 bets as im sure you would make it back

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Joker

What i had been doing was waiting for 2 or more hits in the same dozen , then when it stops bet against it with a progression 1 3 9 etc....but if for example i lost the 1st bet i would not wait for another dozen to repeat and bet against it again , i would just carry on with the progression on the 2 dozens i was betting on with 3 / 9 etc... But I'll use my progressions.

Sorry the site wouldn't let me pm you

isn't this basically what simon does?  wait for a one to stop repeating and bet against it, if it misses what for it to stop repeating again?  and your progesson chat seems a bit hard to read =/

Yea thats what simon does however if you lose the first time you wouldnt continue progressing you would wait until the losing dozen finished then bet on the other two.  Ryan mate you seemed to be waiting for a dozen to repeat twice then do the next step of the progression, is this correct?  I assumed that simon did as follows, please correct me if i am wrong

1st Doz
1st Doz
2nd Doz - (Now bet on Doz 2 and 3)
1st Doz - lost so wait until 1st Doz finished then bet on doz 2 & 3 again
2nd Doz - now bet on Doz 2 and 3

Would you wait for a dozen to hit at least twice then change before moving on with the progression or just go as soon as the losing dozen finishes?  Clarification would be great, Si or Ryan.

Cheers

I can email the progression. the table doesn't post accurately.

Thank you so much Vetkop....

appreicate yorur information

Joker

barry11063@hotmail.co.uk

Please email me your chart, that would be appreciated.  I am still concerned that you progress straight away if your bet loses.  Am i correct in saying this?  what would happen if the same dozen hit say 10 or more times?  Does simon not wait as i stated above, still a touch confused, nothing worse before trying with cash, dont want to get pumped!

@barry

i wait for a dozen to repeat 2 times then play the first bet as i would normally, now if i lose i just track without betting but i track it as if i was betting so say the first bet lost now track it the way you would as if playing normally until it wins or loses, it could win on the next bet or go to 5 steps etc, but whatever happens wether in there there is repeats or not you should only have bet once, now you have tracked that you wait for a new repeat so this one is totaly fresh

you bet for the 1st win again but now using the progression so you would bet 3units, if you win the next time you bet go back to 1 unit if you have lost tho wait for your next opprtunity and bet 9 etc,

does that make sense?

Cheers Ryan i got you.  Im going to start this soon, you won much?  I hope so!!!

Baz

Barry and the difference in the way I play is that if I lsoe a bet I continue my progression where Ryan waits for a new repeat before betting. It depends on what you prefer? Mine will win a bit faster but more risk than Ryan.

Ryan what is the most steps you have gone?

i dont play this im testing another system thats better than this so far, i dont wait for every repeat, ill do an example now

1
1
3bet 2/3 1 unit
1lose
1
2no bet but normally would be 3 unit
1lose
1
3no bet but would be 9 unit
2, would have won here but no bet

now that is one progression finished with 1 bet which lost so we are down -2units, notice there are repeats but we did not bet as they are in the same progression,

1
3
3
2 now we bet again using the next step in the progression so we bet 3 units
3lose
2no bet
3
1
2end of progression, would be 3rd bet win, -down 8 units

3
2
1
1
3now bet 9 units
3win 27 +1unit

you should get 1 in 3 1st bet wins, you are after hitting the 1st bet wins alone, try this with both 3 and 5 step progressions as im not sure if 3 will work or not

ryan08 ...

I'm a newbie here, but was intrigued by your system, so yesterday I ran it for real money at a video roulette machine (double zero) at Mohegan Sun Casino in Connecticut, USA for 700 straight spins.  I was not looking to stay that long, as I planned to leave after about 300 spins, but because it didn't lose, I wanted to see how long it would take to fail.  It didn't but I had to leave after 700 spins as I was too tired to continue.  Here are the results:

1 loss then a win: 23
2 losses than a win: 9
3 losses than a win: 3
Never went past 3 losses in the 700 spins.

Zero and double zero were not played and treated as a loss.

If a hit won or lost it was not counted for the next series of 2 straight hits.  I always waited for another series of 2.  I was not sure how you were playing it.

Total wins: 90

I used $1 chips and left with +90.

Please let me know if this ends up failing for you and how long before that happens.  I'll give it another go and post the results here.  If I can get to 5000+ spins with these results I'll start using $10 chips, for sure.

Best, Gator

I just re-reviewed your post and Simon's system and think I may have been playing his system.  Here's what I was doing:

1.  Any dozen repeats itself, play the 2 dozens that didn't hit.
2.  If it wins, wait for another repeat of a dozen.  Do not count the hit (win) as the beginning of a repeating dozen.
3.  If it loses, wait for another repeat of a dozen.  Do not count the hit (loss) as the beginning of a repeating dozen.  Play the progression (1,3,9,27).
4.  Treat 0 and 00 as a loss.  Don't play them.

I think this may be what Simon is doing.  Can anyone clarify this?

Hi Gator,

I thought that simon did not wait until there was another dozen repeating itself, however the way you play it seems to be safer.  How have you been doing with it?  I know it can take a while but like you say a few £$10 wins per day would be quality.

Barry

Quoted from Vetkop

I played both of these but prefer the second one. i worked out around 5 depending on how aggresive I want to be. All input will be appreciated

Bet     Spend     Total     Win          Bet     Spend     Total     Win
1     2     2     1          5     10     10     5
3     6     8     1          20     40     50     10
10     20     28     2          70     140     190     20
32     64     92     4          230     460     650     40
70     140     232     -22                         
210     420     652     -22                         
                                        
Bet     Spend     Total     Win          Bet     Spend     Total     Win
1     2     2     1          5     10     10     5
3     6     8     1          15     30     40     5
10     20     28     2          50     100     140     10
32     64     92     4          150     300     440     10
100     200     292     8                         
280     560     852     -12                         

Hi,Vektop,

I still find the progression steep,its ok if you a playing $1 per unit for me its $10 per unit bet spread 10-1000.I will hit the table max on 5th step

I ran this again on 400 straight spins on a video roulette machine at Foxwoods Resort Casino.  I used the same scenario as previously described in this thread.  Here are the results:

1.  Total spins = 400 consecutive
2.  Win after 1 loss: 8
3.  Win after 2 losses: 4
4.  Win after 3 losses: 1
5.  Win after 4 losses: (lost twice (back to back)  Went 8 losses before a win. BR depleted twice)  Progression was 1,3,9,27 (40 total)

Units won = 51
Units lost = 80
Profit = -29 (negative)

Here was the losing streak:

9
1
2 (bet 1 chip on dozens 2/3) (lost)
7
23
1
22
6
21
13
14 (bet 3 chips on dozens 1/3) (lost)
26
36
29 (bet 9 chips on dozens 1/2) (lost)
10
1
3 (bet 27 chips on dozens 2/3) (lost) (end of 40 unit BR)
38
14
35
15
31
36
25 (bet 1 chip on dozens 1/2) (lost)
18
18
21 (bet 3 chips on dozens 1/3) (lost)
15
9
37
19
2
4
7 (bet 9 chips on dozens 2/3) (lost)
10
23
11
22
8
35
3
34
25
30 (bet 27 chips on dozens 1/2) (lost) (end of 40 unit BR) (loss of 80 units)
29
29
6  (bet 1 chip on dozens 1/2) (won)

If I did something wrong, please let me know ....

Gator