For you RNG buffs - i'm just throwing this out there. I think that if so many want to talk about RNG's then this is the best way to go about it to make this somewhat constructive. :p
To win long term with RNG without plan luck you have to either: 1. somehow increase the accuracy of where you bet next, but because RNGs are computerised, you have no real reference to go by, aside from a computer spat number on the marquee, which is meaningless (unless you can do point 2) ie: meaning you cannot gain that edge/increase the accuracy of where you bet next. This is why AP is effective, because the physics of the wheel can be exploited. There's nothing to exploit with RNG's. (again -unless you can do point 2). 2. Dechiper the RNG's algorthim - possible i guess and i'm sure someone someday will create a piece of kit that does this, but i think we are far from this yet. 3. Use some form of precog.
Although not entirely "random", RNG's are as close to random as you will get. The "not entirely random" bit gives us a SMALL window.
So i'm interested in my point 2. I need some information that maybe the casino buffs can help out on:
a) Am i right in assuming that casino RNG software is stored on a chip inside the RNG machine itself, and the actual algorthim is sent from a central server somewhere to the RNG machine? If not please correct me. I'm referring to Land based. b) i assume that the server is heavily encrypted
If anyone can shed any light here or has some insight it would be helpful.
I have a rough idea of what the process may be, but would like clear distinction.
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....that's why i said this is for land based RNG's.
I agree Forget RNG, but many cannot do that as though it is their mother or something, hence why i created this to make the RNG discussion at least MOVE FORWARD a little. Dunno about anyone else but im sick of reading "what system shall i use for RNG"...
Deciphering RNG's is to me the only current way of beating an RNG.
It may seem like an impossible feat, but it's worth a shot. Im just saying perhaps concentrate on ONE rng and it's algorthim and prove the concept works, then take it from there.
You know it is impossible to get rid of all the gamblers in the world and cetainly RNG players as well...
so that's why i also want to take advantage for that to make some money...
there are still lots of people will buy the system for RNG ..... if you give good information maybe you can help them and also you can make some money as well....
Ok Anandram I'll bite on this topic. RNGs do whatever they are told, being programming. The key IMO is for it to always think you are a "New Player"---to not have any record of your betting patterns. If the RNG thinks you are a "New Player" they will allow you a few wins--to draw you into becoming a "compulsive bettor"--then they've got you. If a player can figure out how many wins the RNG "will allow a (new player to the casino) he/she has the potential of beating the RNG in my opinion.
How do you make RNG think you are a "new player"? would you share that info...
If you win $5 dollars then stop for two weeks before you play again to make a tiny win then I would rather spend my energy in something else than making a tiny win of $5 here and there.
In this kind of economy, making $5 or $10 is like ... oh well I better not saying it.
to those who don't accept the fact that RNG is not a random system...Just keep on playing ! ! !
RNG isn't a random system. It sure as hell is close to one but like anything and everything, there's a reasons why things happen, even with RNG. The key and what this thread is about is deciphering the algorithms that let's say ONE RNG uses. Of course a near impossible feat, but it's better than people constantly asking us the same questions about which system to use for RNG. There's a way to do everything, but another case if it's practicle to do.
That's what i'm trying to drill down to, yet noone will answer my questions in the first post
Proof - i see what you're saying, and what you are saying comes down to what i am saying above basically, and what this thread is about - desiphering RNG.
Perhaps we could start with say RX's RNG, because it is not heavily guarded by servers and encryption etc? Just a thought. We need to understand how RX is pumping the numbers out in its RNG first and foremost, somehow intercept the coding that tells RX what the next "random" number is going to be and display it before it reaches the RX display... yes easy to explain i know....or maybe i've had too much wine who knows.
You're wrong jmho, RNG is not "completely random". Completly random implies there is no cause as to why or how the numbers are being processed and displayed. I've also stated above that this doesn't mean they are easy or practicle to decipher, just that it means that it isn't "random".
Not sure who you are talking to when you mentioned them not being rigged. I personally have never said they are rigged. I said (in previous threads), they may or may not be, but that isn't what the focal point should be.
Also, please could you try and post a little more politely in future, not sure the STFU is really necessary.Thanks.
Actually nothing is ever random (at least in the context people use "random") - just like anandram said, saying otherwise is like saying there is no cause and effect. it depends on your definition of random. If by saying random you mean "unpredictable", then whether or not rng is unpredictable depends on what you are trying to predict. If you mean predicting the next number with intention to beat roulette, it cant be predicted with enough accuracy. Potentially with precognition though.
Jmho you are new here. Why all the aggressiveness? It usually takes a bit longer for people to develop that kind of attitude, unless you are fresh off the press from GG. The following would be a more appropriate and tacful way of expressing yourself. No it's not serious. Lighten up, let's all have fun, yay etc etc..
bravo Steve, I lost 275K and still keep my cool in this forum, no need for street language. Everyone has first amendment right and say what they want to say but please be civil about your statement. Let's keep this as a place where we can share and learn from each other, and hope that someday we can all be rich... yeah!
By the way, jmho...here is the test from me to prove that RNG is not random.
... try this test in real money mode, your money that is.
Place bet on 35 numbers including number zero, let say zero through 35, you will be surprise to see number 36 comes up more than often.
Now, let change your unbet number from 36 to ... let say 19. That means you place bet from number zero through 18 and from 20 through 36.
.... and again you will be surprise to see number 19 comes up more than often, enough to break your bankroll or make you lose terribly.
Tell me if that's Random Number Generator....
I said this many time but I will say it again: All online roulette software is written to spit out the result where you don't place your money, period. It does not do that every spin but for sure it will do damage within the timeline of your bankroll. When you win to a certain percentage, RNG code will go to work and it's coding will defeat your bet no matter how you bet and what casino you play.
Trust me, I lost 275,000 thousands US dollars to find out that RNG is not random and if you still believe in those certified company so called Technical System Testing or TST for short, you are not alone. Those certification is nothing than a piece of toilet paper that can be bought by money.
Again, I am not telling to stop playing RNG, this is just my opinion and experiences.
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