Thanks Hawk but no-one knows you well enough for it to have the desired effect. Ronjo was chosen because he is well known and trusted by the majority of people. He appears to be a very decent guy.

By the way, Ronjo now has his old account back. In settings I just had to use a feature that re-established the member list. I dont know exactly what the problem was, but it is fixed anyway. I removed his newer account to avoid confusion.

Have my posts been deleted from this page by purpose or....? It was the one in response to why ronjos name appeared twice etc. Or was it to simply clear up confusion?

Anandram, I removed some posts from here as they werent relevant anymore.

Also Ronjo, Bago doesnt believe you and I are different people but I really dont care what he thinks - others know better. Actually he probably knows you are someone else, but he's reaching for excuses and making irrelevant and twisted comments in CAPITALS etc. By the way Bago, I'm not interested in making morons $30k. Eventually you will learn what I have achieved, and continue to achieve with my own teams, and I dont doubt it is beyond what people like Basiex have achieved. To anyone that sees the hybrid, it is very impressive - but to you who barely even knows squat about the standard computer thinks the notion of an automated roulette computer is silly? Yes you really are a pro Bago. I'd love to further pull apart your ridiculous comments but I just dont care. Your comments are so far off track and childish they are not worth response. Already people think you're an idiot anyway. Just like your assumptions with Ronjo, the rest of your assumptions are way off-track. Your last comments are like something out of a kindergarten - did you want to poke your tongue too?. Bago if you were trustworthy or had any kind of integrity, I would explore ways to demonstrate the truth to you. But you are a child, you are extremely immature and have as much integrity as mark howe. Relax Bago the challenge will be over before you know it, then you can make all the excuses you like.

Forester you really have problems understanding. I'll correct you again:

1. Never have there been cancellations of my public demos. The only thing that comes close to a cancellation is change in approximate time of year. I have held many public demos, and once the dates are set they never change - I make sure of this because many people book flights. Some demos are in smaller groups (1-3), some in larger (10-15). I certainly could release audio of some of those demos, and I havent done it so far is because each recording is about 4-5 hours long and I havent had time to censor them. Thats why in the upcoming public demo I'll just be more careful about what is said, so barely any editing will be required. Who knows why you have trouble accepting it. I have completed two RAAF training courses on instruction and public speaking, and was an instructor in the RAAF cadet scheme for many years so I've grown to love public speaking. I love to demonstrate my technology and to meet other players so I enjoy the public demos. You can argue that the demos have never taken place but that's just one more point for you to be wrong about, and more of a red face later.

2. I already released the report of professional testing. Remember Forester? You had it yourself in exe format. If you read it, you would have found the bottom line was although actual tests were positive, and the theory behind the patterns was sound, he was unable to fully verify whether or not positive results were due to luck or not. And to answer your question about payment to him, the agreement was payment irrespective of the report being positive or negative. Before I settled on a physicist, I had been in contact with universities and labs for testing, but many of them said they simply did not have the expertise or knowledge of roulette to do investigations. You and Mark go on and on about this, all along missing the result of the testing that was published long ago. Although the report was positive, I'm not happy with it because I feel he had ample information to ascertain that the results were not merely luck. Some of his comments state it is not likely to be luck, but specifically the conclusion at the end does not go into this enough. Dont get me wrong he knows my analysis techniques work, but proving it to the scientific community is much more complicated. The bottom line of the report was that the methods were effective over the test spins, and although the chances are it is not likely luck, there is still that possibility.

3. I never claimed the photo on my website is not me. What is wrong with you? You love making up stories about things I said or did. Who knows what goes on in your ignorant head.

All you three stooges go on about complete rubbish. No matter what you say, the outcome of the testing wont change. But no matter what is released and no matter what proof slaps you in the face, you all will still swear until you're blue in the face that you are still right. You know that. Everyone here knows that. So we dont care. I only care about what the majority knows. The three of you are so desperate to harm me you would exploit the fact that I like hamburgers if you thought it could be twisted to make me look bad.

Bago your understanding of even the primordials is worse than I thought. You published a correlation (primordial) chart and claimed the peak at 13 was merely due to a sector bias in the area of number 13. Bago my friend, correlation charts have nothing to do with a specific sector on a wheel - the predicted sector changes each spin. In fact I dont think I can think of a worse interpretation of the charts and you profess to know everything about my technology?? Also if a bias was legit, a custom variant utilizes it. You say custom variants dont exist but you really have no idea what they are. If you did, you'd understand how idiotic your statements seem. By the way, the patterns incorporated into the casino analysis software has nothing to do with primordial or correlation charts. I'm sorry Bago but you go around telling everyone that you're a pro and that you know something about my methods, but you've already shown us just how much you really know. You are no different to Mark and Forester where you take known information and twist it completely based on your own beyond poor understanding, then claim to everyone that you know everything. How can you explain such a clear misunderstanding of none other than the most basic methods - the primordials? A typo? Temporarily drunk? Bad english? If you cant even get the most basic of basics, how on Earth could you understand something like custom variants? It is simple Bago, you are an incompetent child who wants everyone to believe he's a pro, and that you know all and that I'm a scammer and that you are right - stomp your feet child. Who cares what you say Bago. There other players know what a dickhead you are and have offered many times to respond to defend me. You are just fighting because what Ronjo will find - in the simplest terms possible, you are trying to knock me down to eliminate or reduce the impact of this challenge. Sorry, but nothing you can do or say will change the outcome - you cant invalidate truth. Also you are still claiming I'm Ronjo. Keep on doing it, it's making you look like an even bigger idiot to people that know better. I guess claiming I'm Ronjo is your last resort.

@ Kelly, keep in mind Bago really doesnt know what he's talking about. Accepting what he says as the truth is bound to mislead you. He's like Forester and likes people to think he knows all in attempt to harm me, but he actually knows very little - he clings to what he knows or believes, and twists the information to make it look as negative as possible. That what anyone who's desperate to discredit someone does. In the end, all he knows about my system is the primordial element uses correlation charts, and from his last post he still doesnt even know how they are used. Kelly if you knew more about my system, I have no doubts you would be able to verify the validity of principles beyond anything like primordials or correlation charts. Based on Bago's last post alone you can see how poor Bago's understanding of even the basics are. As you have good roulette knowledge, you'd understand how critical Bago's mistake is - it is not just a minor misunderstanding, it is colossal.

@ Forester, you said "Why not from point when it starts spinning or even better from VB defined point?" - what on Earth makes you think I dont teach my players to obtain the reference point via different methods, including VB? Why do you think primordial charts are called PRIMORDIAL? What is the most "primordial" reference point? From one spin to another. You know as much as Bago, because you get your information from idiots like Bago, but you dont want to listen to me when I try to correct you. That is called ignorance. Or perhaps it's simply what you do to compete.

One thing to keep in mind that everything even Laurence and Pierre teach are part of what I teach players - in fact everything they teach is only a small part of everything. But according to Bago I'm a scammer.. Yes it just doesnt fit. Why should be obvious - he wants to discredit me.

PS - Bago, remember when you tried to take my $100k challenge with John Solitude's raindrop method, where you wait for an event to not happen for some time before betting on it, and you said that you would win for sure because the balance would eventually occur? Then later when you realized what an idiot you looked like, you claimed you knew the method didnt work and were just trying to scam me - of course you had to say that because your extremely poor understanding of roulette was obvious. Well you have shown us again how much of a pro you are, although perhaps only people like Kelly may understand how bad your understandings of even the most basic concepts are. Honestly Bago, in light of your erratic and extremely childish behavior, I can only conclude you are every bit of a mental patient as Mark is. Even you said yourself you have some problems with your behavior. Everyone at VLS and GG have experienced it first-hand and you wonder why no-one likes or wants you on boards. you really do have a lot of growing-up to do. You are also a very angry person, at virtually everyone. Truly Bago, with the exception of Mark who is off the charts, you are the biggest dickhead I've ever known. I refuse to believe it is just your age - I know kids a third of your age that are better behaved. I know you will continue to bust your butt to discredit me. I'll just move things along with Ronjo. I understand you are threatened by the challenge, but take it like a grown man.

i tell you what Steve, you are either
a) A great liar, writer and talker
b) Very confident and know your system(s) are every bit as effective as you claim.

I cannot see you busting your a** to proove this and that, to risk your credibility, and everything else that goes with it if you did not have every ounce of faith in your system. You are trying to proove so much whilst your competitors proove nothing other than they can run their mouth. Isnt it obvious to all who is telling the truth and who isnt? WHy would a man risk so much and go to such lengths to proove it, if he was not 100% confident?? Its not to generate sales, because noone would be as stupid to get an independent party to test each aspect of a system knowing it would fail. Someone tell me what the purpose is of paying someones fees to go over to Australia, knowing the methods/system you have been defending are rubbish? Steve, you are obviously confident in your work if applied correctly to produce the desired results, anyone who cannot see what goes on with your clown competitors would probably not even use your system/computers effectivley/correctly anyway, and as a result would end up  blaming you.

Neutral parties need to use their brains, and THINK. just add 1 and 1 together for christ sake.

How are things coming along ronjo/steve?

Thanks, yes I am very confident with the challenge. Before anything I just want the truth known. I know most people now know the truth, or lean towards that the others are lying. Still I want to leave absolutely no doubt.

Ronjo, the video is done. There are 150 spins, top view of wheel etc. Exact number hit rate is 1 in 21 and I'll release chart which displays distance the ball landed from actual prediction. Predictions are approximately 15 seconds before the ball falls - I wanted to make it clear that even on a distorted ball track, predictions with the computer can be very early. Of course later predictions would have been much more accurate, but I didnt want to make things too easy. The risk feature is completely disabled, so predictions are given on every spins. Based on all the testing I've done on the mk7 wheel, 1 in 12 hit rate is consistently possible with stricter settings. You can see the wheel is pretty much perfectly semi-tilted so it perfectly represents 95% of wheels. The ball frequently hits horizontal diamonds, floats around the rotor etc and does all kinds of "unpredictable" things.

I'll try and fit all the footage on one DVD, but it may be two. Today I'll be compiling the DVD and plan to ship tomorrow or later today if I have time. You can begin application from anywhere in the video to confirm the computer is not rigged, but of course the computer needs to be tuned to a wheel before predictions become accurate. With the top view of the wheel, you can do the different diamond test, which is about 95% of what needs to be done to show everyone what liars there are around.

PS - I've already tried to apply both mark's latest computer and forester's iqe6 against the mk7 with basically random results. But I'm going to apply their computers against the exact same 150 spins to see results. Based on the fact alone that the ball is just as likely to hit a vertical diamond than a horizontal diamond, you can plainly see their computers have it all wrong.

By the way Bago, now you are saying I dont know how to level a wheel. Are there any other pathetic rantings? Bago, you dont even have a roulette wheel and if I dont know how to level a wheel, why do my wheels appear level? I know I know, the magic roulette fairy levels my wheels. Yes Bago, I really dont know what I'm doing. If I were you Bago I'd be working on my list of excuses instead of making stupid attacks. You dont even know what the house edge is, or the difference between bias and correlation charts - I dont think you're in position to say how a wheel can be leveled. I think you need to wise-up to the fact that I dont care what you think, or your newfound friend forester - you are both knobs that twist and say anything to try and discredit me. People following this challenge will know the truth. You call yourself the truth seeker Tony - you are a coward running from the truth. None of you stooges will ever accept the truth even when it slaps you. Why? For many reasons, but for you Bago the truth plain makes you look stupid. Keep on fighting, i dont care. Also could you please stop calling me fat and bald. It is hurting my feelings. And please dont poke your tongue - it's the most hurtful thing that could ever happen to me. Grow up.

Ronjo I managed to fit it all on one DVD, but the compression is heavy and the footage quality isn't as good. So what I'll do is send you a DVD of all spins, plus two dvds with the same thing, but better quality - all for the mk7 wheel. I'll also send two other dvds which are for the mk2 wheel.

Because the mk7 footage is all top-view, you'll find it very easy to do the different diamond test, and you'll quickly see how full of it the stooges are. That's really the main test to do, but from how the ball falls on the mk7 you'll know why the different diamond test is a very poor way to gauge computer effectiveness. Forester says otherwise, but that's because his computer assumes diamonds dont exist.

Hi Steve,

Thanks Steve,looking forward to working with you.

Regards,
Ronjo.

Ronjo I'll have to send everything tomorrow as I havent had time. Also I will be doing another dvd today because in the previous two the zero is hard to see. This is because the plastic in the pockets was removed to eliminate a potential type of bias, and the clear green is no longer there - it's just all chrome. So in the new video I'll do something to make the zero easier to see, and I'll include this dvd. I'll of course send the other dvds too.

I've done the different diamond testing on the videos and most spins are fine - just avoid using spins where the ball jumps or does something similar. You should have no problems achieving most predictions within a 3 pocket arc.

Hey Steve,
I read somewhere that you are a "convicted criminal" is there any truth to this claim what so ever? like did you get in trouble for not paying a parking fine or something stupid like that?

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Hey Steve,
I read somewhere that you are a "convicted criminal" is there any truth to this claim what so ever? like did you get in trouble for not paying a parking fine or something stupid like that?

Although im sure Steve will respond to you, ill start by saying that people should do some research. Im surprised poit that you have been on this forum for so long, challenged Steve regarding his challenge and have never had any curiosity as to who this steve really is, especially when he claims his system does so much.

I had the above curiosity and done my homework, like anyone should, im sure Steve will point you towards http://www.roulettewars.com (the faq's page) for you to read up on his "crime". Although this does not bear any relevance on his system (in my opinion) and its effectiveness. However one might say that it does to an extent in regards to trust, but personally it doesnt bother me because if you take the time to speak to the guy, he is indeed a very normal person. We've all fcuk'd up, intentionally or not.

Excuse if i sound like i am licking arse here, im not - it just prooves that people really do not do any research.

Not a direct attack on you poit, im just surprised that you didnt look it up before posting your comment thats all.

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Although im sure Steve will respond to you, ill start by saying that people should do some research. Im surprised poit that you have been on this forum for so long, challenged Steve regarding his challenge and have never had any curiosity as to who this steve really is, especially when he claims his system does so much.

I had the above curiosity and done my homework, like anyone should, im sure Steve will point you towards http://www.roulettewars.com (the faq's page) for you to read up on his "crime". Although this does not bear any relevance on his system (in my opinion) and its effectiveness. However one might say that it does to an extent in regards to trust, but personally it doesnt bother me because if you take the time to speak to the guy, he is indeed a very normal person. We've all fcuk'd up, intentionally or not.

Excuse if i sound like i am licking arse here, im not - it just prooves that people really do not do any research.

Not a direct attack on you poit, im just surprised that you didnt look it up before posting your comment thats all.

Well I figure anything I find could just be more crap any way so I best ask the person him self