With the absolute nonsense published about my technology from numerous morons (mainly competitors under fake names), it may be difficult to know what or who to believe. The more serious players tend to visit me personally to see for themselves. To take this option, see http://www.genuinewinner.com/conference.htm
Out of over 500 players, there is still the occasional 'nutty' player that has no idea what they've purchased. If this were only 1% of players, that's still 5 or so players. And believe me when I say, there are more nuts in the gaming industry than any other indistry - it baffles me how 'backwards' some people are. Some may occasionally publish their misunderstandings and/or distorted information. What about the other 99% of players? If my technology works, why aren't we seeing hundreds of satisfied customers posting about their winnings everywhere? Firstly, that would be a breach of contract because they'd be identifying themselves as players, and secondly they'd rather just keep it to themselves. So the only feedback you read about my technology is:
See http://www.roulettewars.com for detailed account of what competitors do under fake names to try and compete.
2. Feedback from the very few unsatisfied players (about 5 out of 500 players)
3. Hearsay from forum members that read fake negative reviews / distorted information - unfortunately some people are taken in by the rubbish others publish, and they perpetuate the lies thinking they're correct.
4. Caluculated attacks and petty 'revenge' for things like banning people from the forum. I've also banned numerous players of my system and computer for contract breach, and they've threatened to post all over forums if I dont give software access back. On this note, the most assured way to NOT get what you want is to threaten me.
Do you really expect people to come out of the woodwork sharing success stories? What my teams have achieved will eventually be published by mainstream media, and it will rival the Ritz group and Garcia-Pelayo stories. To those that know us well, my group are considered the foremost experts in roulette prediction. To competing cheating device sellers, who dont actually use their technology, we are scammers. You decide.
Any system or device is only as good as the user. A system or computer is nothing more than a tool. A bad tradesman blames his tools. In this case, perhaps 1% of genuine player have no idea what they've purchased or how to use it. Arguably it's a pity my successful players dont defend me on forums, but they have better things to do.
To dispel myths, I've provided videos of public demos, audio testimonials, test reports, videos with minute details like lava lamps in the background (to show video is uncut) and much more. Do competitors do this? No, they pretend to be my players under fake names and give fake negative reviews. Competitors and some individuals will ALWAYS try to discredit me no matter what I do. They are not interested in the truth, so they attempt to refute any proof I provide. For example, they claim the public demos and recorded phone calls were probably with my family members or someone paid by me. Such claims are complete rubbish and desperate attempts to discredit me. Why? For a variety of reasons - typically whoever lies about me is usually doing it to protect either their business interests, or their ego. For example, competitors wouldn't want my technology to be effective, and neither would people that have long claimed I'm a scammer because if I were to suddenly prove them wrong, they'll of course say whatever they must to protect their ego and reputation. One example is competitors initially claimed I would never hold public demonstrations and that the promise of public demos was merely to increase sales - but now that I have conducted numerous public demos, competitors claim attendees of my public demos are probably just family members. They made similar claims like that recorded phone calls from my players were probably from paid people, or their winnings were just luck - but you dont win $100k+ just from luck (for example hear http://www.genuinewinner.com/Testimonial6ADGermany.wma - this player won 70k EUROS so far), and all players can speak to each other via the player only forum (including those that gave audio testimonials) - players frequently call each other, meet each other etc, and if my technology was a scam, the last thingn I'd do is provide my players with a convenient forum to converse.
Unfortunately it is my word against many morons that constantly make new bogus claims, and I dont have the time to respond to every pathetic lie. But the truth is indeed on my side, and all truth comes out eventually. As I like to clear the air and make the truth known, I suggest visiting me in person. As for players that cannot visit me, I suggest the following:
1. Accross all forums, GG, VLS, this forum etc, we identify one member who is well trusted - someone that has been around for a while, and people know are not affiliated with me etc. Someone that is well trusted and respected.
2. I will pay for them to visit me personally for a public demonstration of the hybrid roulette computer (http://www.hybridroulettecomputer.com), standard roulette computer (http://www.roulettecomputers.com) and roulette system (http://www.genuinewinner.com). Only what is available for purchase will be demonstrated - we will NOT demonstrate our most effective technology (what our closest teams are using). I'll also demonstrate competing devices (like both of Mark Howe's computers and Forester's device so they can see for themselves what nonsense they are).
The visitor will see all the myths dispelled. The demonstrations will be video recorded, although some parts will not be published to preserve secrets - the rest of it is fine for publishing (accuracy. checking the wheel for tampering, results etc). I will pay (in advance) for the visitor's airfares, accomodation and any other expenses. They will spend 2-3 days in Melbourne, so they need to be able to spend that time away from home (unless they are already in Melbourne).
Any suggestions on WHO may be the ideal and willing candidate?
It is quite easy to prove truth, so if anyone has any suggestions for validation of my technology, by all means make suggestions provided they are realistic. Roulette is not only beatable, millions are secretly being won. It is up to the individual player to do their own research to determine fact and fiction about my technology. Ever since I entered this field, I found enemies I never knew I had. Ultimately if you visit me in person, you will very quickly learn fact from fiction. But regardless, all truth comes out eventually.
The offer is completely real. Assuming all this does proceed (I have every intention of ensuring this), I expect people like competitors to find some new excuse - as they have with every other legitimate proof provided that embarassed them. For those that have actually visited me, and for my players, the competitors are exposed as clear manipulators and liars. By having a trusted representative visit me, more people will clearly see the desperate manipulation of competitors.
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I don't know if either is interested and I'm not volunteering anyone, but Lanky or TwoCatSam are known and trusted. Obviously, Lanky is closer to your location.
I remain a doubter myself. I also really don't care. I, like others generally enjoy this forum.
I also don't think that your competion spammed your forum last week unless his/her primary language is Spanish. Not looking to be banned just noting my observations of the writing style (now deleted) as best I can recall. Not appologizing for my posts either, but with "johns" posts deleted, mine were somewhat out of context. I still love the spinning cats.
These thoughts are written more to you than for the public so I won't mind if you take it down. RP.
Is it really that difficult to believe that roulette can be beaten? It's not like I claim to be able to do it with red/black bets or against RNG spins. You can see an outline of what I teach at http://www.genuinewinner.com/gw.zip and as for custom variants, they are a culmination of the various techniques, plus results of my own development. It's not the cure for cancer - it's predicting where a little ball will land. Either way, you are free to believe whatever.
Where do Lanky and Sam live? How about it Sam and Lanky? What I'm after is for the visitor to be trusted and respected by just about everyone, not just on this forum, but the various other forums too. So it is not just your opinion or my opinion.
PS - If Johns was writing in spanish, then he was probably a player I recently banned, and this was his petty revenge. He knew the rules for the benefit of all players, he broke them, then takes it out on me. If it's the one I'm thinking of, he won over $100k with some of the methods I teach, but had problems with another of the methods. He refused to so much as call me for support for reasons like he didnt feel he understood english well enough. Thats not the system's fault. As I said, the system is a tool. A bad tradesman blames his tools. Out of almost 500 players, of course a few are bound to have this sort of mentality.
His IP is from Melbourne which is ideal. I've emailed him about this.
Just a suggestion how about Micheal Barnett from Surveillance Technology?He is in Australia also.If you can convince him,I am sure he will be unbiased and give you a good review on his web
I previously called Barnett and invited him to one of my public demos. He said he'd attend if he was in Melbourne at the time, although he wasn't. But I found him to be extremely ignorant and quite arrogant when on the phone to him. Either way, is it really advisable to show a casino consultant intimate secrets?
I dont think he's convinced that my claims could be possibly true, which is probably why he was so arrogant and rude - or perhaps he is convinced he's the expert. What he may be skeptical of is what he'll be chasing soon enough. Again all truth comes out eventually. In previous times, casinos were convinced roulette was random - they thought they KNEW roulette wasn't beatable. Now of course they know better, but they believe there are only a few methods to beat roulette like visual ballistics, bias analysis and computers. Some know better now, and history will repeat itself.
Back many months ago, he called us computer sellers out to have our computers tested. Mark Howe wouldn't dream of that, but Barnett alreeady has Howe's computer anyway. Forester jumped out and sent his computer, then after extensive testing Barnett concluded that even with the ideal conditions of slow motion video and a top view of the wheel, Forester's computer produced near random predictions. Bare in mind Barnett would profit from Forester's computer being a threat as he could then advise casinos. I was saying that Forester's computer was virtually useless all along and have given ample scientific fact, albeit intentionally only part of it. Forester just turned on Barnett calling him names, but Forester is right in saying that Barnett is not the expert he claims to be - he sincerely does have a lot to learn. On the note of Forester and his device, Forester is not a scammer like Mark Howe. Mark is as bad as they get, but Forester just has a poor product, and he does stretch the truth somewhat. Forester is also extremely ignorant, and he'll know that in time but perhaps his ego wont let him admit it.
As for my computer, when I called Barnett to discuss the possibility of testing my computer, I asked him "what do you get out of it?". I had to ask the question more than once, and he responded "it helps me do my job better". Do I really want to help him do his job better? No. He helps casinos.
What I'm after is someone that is known on forums - someone that is neutral. Lanky would be ideal, but he hasnt responded to my emails yet. I thought perhaps Kelly who's on a few forums, so if anyone knows him, please advise him of this. Perhaps even Snow who's also well known.
I previously called Barnett and invited him to one of my public demos. He said he'd attend if he was in Melbourne at the time, although he wasn't. But I found him to be extremely ignorant and quite arrogant when on the phone to him. Either way, is it really advisable to show a casino consultant intimate secrets?
I dont think he's convinced that my claims could be possibly true, which is probably why he was so arrogant and rude - or perhaps he is convinced he's the expert. What he may be skeptical of is what he'll be chasing soon enough. Again all truth comes out eventually. In previous times, casinos were convinced roulette was random - they thought they KNEW roulette wasn't beatable. Now of course they know better, but they believe there are only a few methods to beat roulette like visual ballistics, bias analysis and computers. Some know better now, and history will repeat itself.
Back many months ago, he called us computer sellers out to have our computers tested. Mark Howe wouldn't dream of that, but Barnett alreeady has Howe's computer anyway. Forester jumped out and sent his computer, then after extensive testing Barnett concluded that even with the ideal conditions of slow motion video and a top view of the wheel, Forester's computer produced near random predictions. Bare in mind Barnett would profit from Forester's computer being a threat as he could then advise casinos. I was saying that Forester's computer was virtually useless all along and have given ample scientific fact, albeit intentionally only part of it. Forester just turned on Barnett calling him names, but Forester is right in saying that Barnett is not the expert he claims to be - he sincerely does have a lot to learn. On the note of Forester and his device, Forester is not a scammer like Mark Howe. Mark is as bad as they get, but Forester just has a poor product, and he does stretch the truth somewhat. Forester is also extremely ignorant, and he'll know that in time but perhaps his ego wont let him admit it.
As for my computer, when I called Barnett to discuss the possibility of testing my computer, I asked him "what do you get out of it?". I had to ask the question more than once, and he responded "it helps me do my job better". Do I really want to help him do his job better? No. He helps casinos.
What I'm after is someone that is known on forums - someone that is neutral. Lanky would be ideal, but he hasnt responded to my emails yet. I thought perhaps Kelly who's on a few forums, so if anyone knows him, please advise him of this. Perhaps even Snow who's also well known.
As for why am I selling it? For varied reasons, but of course for profit. Do I use it myself? Not anymore as I dont need to - my teams have something even better so why would we need to spend time with a system that's not as effective? Also see below as per http://www.genuinewinner.com/faqs.html
Q1. Why are you selling your winning roulette system?
For a few reasons: first and foremost, we don't need it anymore. Consider that we have powerful roulette computer cheating technology that is even more effective than our roulette strategy. In fact some of our computers are automated, and do not even require the operators to look at the roulette wheels once the camera is aimed (See Hybrid Roulette Computer). We do still have a few roulette system players that pay us 50% of their winnings, but most of our "profit split" arrangements are with regards to our roulette cheating devices. This is because for the time we spend training players, our roulette computer teams are more productive. Learn about our roulette computer partnerships. We do not need further partners at this stage though, so please don't ask - if our team gets any larger, it will be too difficult to manage. Additionally, we cannot possibly play roulette in all casinos - there are thousands of casinos world-wide. So we can afford to allow others to use it - we want to see the result of our hard work being used.
We sell:
System (least effective and take most time/effort, but still millions have been won) - $2500 Standard roulette computer - $5000-$10000 depending on options Hybrid roulette computer - $25,000 - $100,000 depending on options
Profit split players start with the standard computer (www.roulettecomputers.com/partners.html) and we are still looking for partners. The most productive partners have the option of the Hybrid later (www.hybridroulettecomputer.com) or something completely different which is not for sale.
Of all the things we sell, they are not $50 or so, they are fair prices. We (the whole team combined) cannot possibly play in all casinos as there are too many, but we play in more than enough. So to maximize revenue, we sell it.
Ive never bought that. If you had broken roulette, why on earth would you tell anybody? Im not out to pick an argument with someone who has far more roulette experience than me but you have a bit of a reputation and anyone stupid enough to by a hybrid computer for £25,000 deserves to be fobbed off. You say this hybrid computer can net you 100,000 a week. Again why on earth are you even bothering to sell something which can net you 100k a week? Play for 1 week every month then and net £1.2 million a year, it just doesnt add up.
The only thing I struggle with is you have created this forum and many good ideas and systems come from your forum so why cant you post a free system or a way of winning playing roulette ?
No one is asking for the world and all that is posted is also to your benift ?
I also have noted you never seem to pass coments on others systems as an example mine ?
I post systems to screw the casinos and I am not into making a profit out of punters / gamblers.
It's abot time we made the bookies pay as they have had the good times and most sites have crap support so unfair for the punters but they soon take your money.
And a major one that annoys me is if you deposit it come out of your account straight away but most casinos if you withdraw it takes them 7-10 working days sooooooo crap
anyone stupid enough to by a hybrid computer for £25,000 deserves to be fobbed off. You say this hybrid computer can net you 100,000 a week. Again why on earth are you even bothering to sell something which can net you 100k a week? Play for 1 week every month then and net £1.2 million a year, it just doesnt add up.
What makes you think we aren't using it? Of course we are. Everyone that purchases the Hybrid sees it in person before buying. They also see Howe's and Forester's computer, and my standard computer. They see how it is worth the money before they part with a cent. Anyone able to afford this kind of money is smart enough to know whether or not it's worth the price. It is compulsory to see it before buying, and to meet me because I wont sell it otherwise. Please dont call my players stupid. If it all doesn't add up to you, did you consider there are things that you just don't know? And what makes you think my teams are not consistently winning large amounts?
Simon:
I have published heaps of free information for anyone to construct a winning system. I have said many times how you can and how you cannot win. Not everyone listens. The majority of players are still using outside bets, they are still thinking if you wait for 10 reds that black is more likely to spin next, they are still developing systems for RNG and so on.
When we sell a system or computer, it is like licensing the technology. Is it possible for my private teams to play in all casinos worldwide? No. So we license it out for a fair price. If we sold something like a roulette computer for $100 or so, that would be indicative of the technology being worthless. Our computers sell for $5000 - $100,000 which is a fair price. The large range is being there are automated computers so you dont need to look at the wheel (and error-free timings), and manual computers where you must look at the wheel so you aren't as covert.
The thing is many people say "why on Earth would you sell something that works?", but when you sell it for an APPROPRIATE price, the same people say "oh thats a ridiculously high price, and I'm not paying that".
Simon if you want to sell systems here, go for it. But do it on the right part of the forum or it will be considered spam.
Bookies always win. It's like the tax man and the stock market - there is a winner and a loser, and in the middle is the tax man who wins either way.
In the end, everyone can believe whatever they want. This is a challenge section so ask all the questions you want.
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