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Please email me your chart, that would be appreciated.  I am still concerned that you progress straight away if your bet loses.  Am i correct in saying this?  what would happen if the same dozen hit say 10 or more times?  Does simon not wait as i stated above, still a touch confused, nothing worse before trying with cash, dont want to get pumped!

@barry

i wait for a dozen to repeat 2 times then play the first bet as i would normally, now if i lose i just track without betting but i track it as if i was betting so say the first bet lost now track it the way you would as if playing normally until it wins or loses, it could win on the next bet or go to 5 steps etc, but whatever happens wether in there there is repeats or not you should only have bet once, now you have tracked that you wait for a new repeat so this one is totaly fresh

you bet for the 1st win again but now using the progression so you would bet 3units, if you win the next time you bet go back to 1 unit if you have lost tho wait for your next opprtunity and bet 9 etc,

does that make sense?

Cheers Ryan i got you.  Im going to start this soon, you won much?  I hope so!!!

Baz

Barry and the difference in the way I play is that if I lsoe a bet I continue my progression where Ryan waits for a new repeat before betting. It depends on what you prefer? Mine will win a bit faster but more risk than Ryan.

Ryan what is the most steps you have gone?

i dont play this im testing another system thats better than this so far, i dont wait for every repeat, ill do an example now

1
1
3bet 2/3 1 unit
1lose
1
2no bet but normally would be 3 unit
1lose
1
3no bet but would be 9 unit
2, would have won here but no bet

now that is one progression finished with 1 bet which lost so we are down -2units, notice there are repeats but we did not bet as they are in the same progression,

1
3
3
2 now we bet again using the next step in the progression so we bet 3 units
3lose
2no bet
3
1
2end of progression, would be 3rd bet win, -down 8 units

3
2
1
1
3now bet 9 units
3win 27 +1unit

you should get 1 in 3 1st bet wins, you are after hitting the 1st bet wins alone, try this with both 3 and 5 step progressions as im not sure if 3 will work or not

ryan08 ...

I'm a newbie here, but was intrigued by your system, so yesterday I ran it for real money at a video roulette machine (double zero) at Mohegan Sun Casino in Connecticut, USA for 700 straight spins.  I was not looking to stay that long, as I planned to leave after about 300 spins, but because it didn't lose, I wanted to see how long it would take to fail.  It didn't but I had to leave after 700 spins as I was too tired to continue.  Here are the results:

1 loss then a win: 23
2 losses than a win: 9
3 losses than a win: 3
Never went past 3 losses in the 700 spins.

Zero and double zero were not played and treated as a loss.

If a hit won or lost it was not counted for the next series of 2 straight hits.  I always waited for another series of 2.  I was not sure how you were playing it.

Total wins: 90

I used $1 chips and left with +90.

Please let me know if this ends up failing for you and how long before that happens.  I'll give it another go and post the results here.  If I can get to 5000+ spins with these results I'll start using $10 chips, for sure.

Best, Gator

I just re-reviewed your post and Simon's system and think I may have been playing his system.  Here's what I was doing:

1.  Any dozen repeats itself, play the 2 dozens that didn't hit.
2.  If it wins, wait for another repeat of a dozen.  Do not count the hit (win) as the beginning of a repeating dozen.
3.  If it loses, wait for another repeat of a dozen.  Do not count the hit (loss) as the beginning of a repeating dozen.  Play the progression (1,3,9,27).
4.  Treat 0 and 00 as a loss.  Don't play them.

I think this may be what Simon is doing.  Can anyone clarify this?

Hi Gator,

I thought that simon did not wait until there was another dozen repeating itself, however the way you play it seems to be safer.  How have you been doing with it?  I know it can take a while but like you say a few £$10 wins per day would be quality.

Barry

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I played both of these but prefer the second one. i worked out around 5 depending on how aggresive I want to be. All input will be appreciated

Bet     Spend     Total     Win          Bet     Spend     Total     Win
1     2     2     1          5     10     10     5
3     6     8     1          20     40     50     10
10     20     28     2          70     140     190     20
32     64     92     4          230     460     650     40
70     140     232     -22                         
210     420     652     -22                         
                                        
Bet     Spend     Total     Win          Bet     Spend     Total     Win
1     2     2     1          5     10     10     5
3     6     8     1          15     30     40     5
10     20     28     2          50     100     140     10
32     64     92     4          150     300     440     10
100     200     292     8                         
280     560     852     -12                         

Hi,Vektop,

I still find the progression steep,its ok if you a playing $1 per unit for me its $10 per unit bet spread 10-1000.I will hit the table max on 5th step

I ran this again on 400 straight spins on a video roulette machine at Foxwoods Resort Casino.  I used the same scenario as previously described in this thread.  Here are the results:

1.  Total spins = 400 consecutive
2.  Win after 1 loss: 8
3.  Win after 2 losses: 4
4.  Win after 3 losses: 1
5.  Win after 4 losses: (lost twice (back to back)  Went 8 losses before a win. BR depleted twice)  Progression was 1,3,9,27 (40 total)

Units won = 51
Units lost = 80
Profit = -29 (negative)

Here was the losing streak:

9
1
2 (bet 1 chip on dozens 2/3) (lost)
7
23
1
22
6
21
13
14 (bet 3 chips on dozens 1/3) (lost)
26
36
29 (bet 9 chips on dozens 1/2) (lost)
10
1
3 (bet 27 chips on dozens 2/3) (lost) (end of 40 unit BR)
38
14
35
15
31
36
25 (bet 1 chip on dozens 1/2) (lost)
18
18
21 (bet 3 chips on dozens 1/3) (lost)
15
9
37
19
2
4
7 (bet 9 chips on dozens 2/3) (lost)
10
23
11
22
8
35
3
34
25
30 (bet 27 chips on dozens 1/2) (lost) (end of 40 unit BR) (loss of 80 units)
29
29
6  (bet 1 chip on dozens 1/2) (won)

If I did something wrong, please let me know ....

Gator